(06-24-2015, 11:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Marvin is like Dalton.  He is not elite but he is to good to replace unless we have an elite replacement lined up.

(06-24-2015, 11:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: For all of you who claim I think we don't have asingle player that needs to be replaced here is what I think of some of our players.

Bodine was a below average center last year.  But since he was justr a rookie I am willing to give him another chance.

Gilberry was not very good last year,  The Bengals addressed this by signing Michael johnson.

Lamur struggled last year.  Since it was his first year playing at a new position I am willing to give him a chance to improve.

Geno Atkins was FAR from his usual self last year.  bur since he is an All pro Talent I am willing to give him another chance.

Maualuga is not as bad as some claim, but he is very limited an should only be on the field on first downs or second/third and short yardage.  He struggles in coverage.

Vinney Ray is a decent back up, but not good enough to be a starter.

Sanu is limited to playing in the slot.  He is not good enough to be an outside receiver.

Dalton is not an elite talent, but good QBs are so rare he is not bad enough to be replaced.  I have no problem with drafting guys like McCarron.  If McCarron outplays Dalton I have no problem with him becoming the starter.

Marvin is like Dalton.  He is not elite but he is to good to replace unless we have an elite replacement lined up.

(06-24-2015, 11:09 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Except for '09 Bratkowski threw the ball more on first down than most other OCs in the league.

it gets so frustrating trying to have discussions with fans who have no clue what they are talking about.

(06-24-2015, 11:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Only problem is that you are wrong about Peko.  He can shed blockers and get t the ball carrier better than most DTs in the league.  And he does not get pushed around as badly as most people here claim.

This type pf post reminds me of all the years I have to deal with clueless fans that claimed Justion Smith was garbage and would not start for most other teams in the league.  "All he does is jump on the pile 5 yards downfield......Derp"

(06-24-2015, 10:32 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Meh, Russell Wilson played like crap, but you are failing to mention that he also threw for a TD and rushed for a TD in that game, so even in the game that proves he was carried by the rest of the team he scored twice as many TDs as Andy Dalton has in 4 postseason games.

But by all means, let's toss this example into the blender of excuses.

Russell Wilson threw 4 INTs and won a playoff game = any QB can throw 4 INTs and win
Tom Brady was taken in the 6th round = no QB can ever be doubted based on draft round
Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl = any QB can win a Super Bowl
John Elway won his first Super Bowl when he was 38 = can't count a QB out until he is eligible for AARP
Pig Ben won a Super Bowl by posting a 22.6 QB rating = a QB can play like total garbage during the biggest game and still win

Did I miss any?  I mean, if we take all these exceptions into account it's pretty obvious there is an excuse for everything a QB is or does when it comes to winning the big, or biggest games in the NFL.  A 38 year old QB taken in the 6th round can throw for 4 INTs and post a 22.6 QB rating and we can't say he deserves to lose because the Wilson/Brady/Dilfer/Elway/Pig Ben excuse applies.

Astounding.

(06-25-2015, 10:30 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: That was the point I was making.  Your tangent, although hilarious, was not addressing that point.  The Bengal's playoff losses have been a combination of failures at many positions:  1. Oline couldn't block or protect.  Defense couldn't stop the run or get pressure.  2. WRs couldn't get open.

(06-25-2015, 07:37 AM)djs7685 Wrote: My jab at Brat does indicate that I don't think he was an elite coordinator, but obviously you should realize that I know more about the sport than to think ANY coordinator in the league calls "run, run, incompletion, punt". Literally zero coordinators do that, so why get all butthurt yet AGAIN over something that every single other person on the board can see that it was a tongue-in-cheek statement to take a shot at our old OC? I don't think he was completely awful, but he surely wasn't elite.

(06-24-2015, 05:57 PM)Rotobeast Wrote:  



I'm guessing the shovel pass is the first audible ?

(06-25-2015, 10:46 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I realize that no coordinator would call "run.run. pass" every time.  So your line might have passed as a joke if Brat did that more than most other OCs.  Then it could be passed off as just an exaggeration.  But the truth is that except for '09 Brat was actually in the bottom half of the league in running on first down.

So it wasn't just that you were exaggerating a point that might have had a little truth to it.  The problem was that you were so totally and completely wrong. Why would you try to even make a joke to agree with someone who is so ridiculously wrong?

Here is an example to show what I mean.  If you made a one liner exaggeration about Dalton throwing a lot of interceptions it could be passed of as a joke to prove a point.  But if you make a one liner joke about Aaron Rogers throwing a lot of interceptions you are just stupid.

Get it now?  I am sorry if I call out stupid when I see it.  I am sorry it makes you so upset.  but I am going to keep on doing it.

(06-24-2015, 11:22 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I am of the same opinion regarding the judgment of Peko, on these (and previous) boards.
He's lost a little, but I believe he is doing what he is asked to.
Just because it isn't pretty, it doesn't mean he isn't doing his job.

(06-25-2015, 10:30 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: This was some funny shit.  Rep to you.  However, you did miss the point (I think, or just avoided it) that Wilson was kept in his horrible game by his defense and special teams.  He posted a worse playoff QB rating than any from Dalton and yet, his defense didn't quit.

That was the point I was making.  Your tangent, although hilarious, was not addressing that point.  The Bengal's playoff losses have been a combination of failures at many positions:  Oline couldn't block or protect.  Defense couldn't stop the run or get pressure.  WRs couldn't get open.  QB turned the ball over.  But when you single out just Dalton, it isn't an accurate representation of what is truly happening to this team.  Blaming Dalton for the defense not being motivated is just fantasy.

(06-25-2015, 10:53 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I got yer swagger right here, Whit!

(06-25-2015, 12:28 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: LOL
I actually think Jimmy Mac illustrates the point I had tried to make earlier in the thread.
His attitude made everyone else on the team more confident.
Although, Jimmy would've probably slapped Whit upside the head in an attempt to establish a pecking order and then spend an hour running away from him.

(06-24-2015, 10:07 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Idk about Green > Nelson. It's really really close.
I would say Cobb > Jones or Sanu pretty easily. Cobb would be able to be a #1 WR easy at almost any other team.
Green Bay has a really good offensive line. Not too far from ours I would say.

You say we have people like Atkins, but 2012 was the only year he played like himself (13 was injured, and 14 he didn't play all that great). The defensive line was viewed as one of the best in 2012, and part of 2013 when Atkins was healthy, but it it went down drastically when Atkins got hurt (and hasn't came back 100% since). Most of our first round picks in our secondary has been hurt in the playoffs (Hall 2011, 2013 was out and, Newman 2013, 2014 was out). Burfict was playing injured in 2013, and he was out in 2014.

In 2011, and 2012 we didn't have the talent needed to win in the playoffs, and in 2013, and 2014 we had too many injuries to win in the playoffs.

(06-24-2015, 06:15 PM)OSUfan Wrote: Pretty sure you were not following the gist. Had nothing to do with Alabama QBs as much as it had to do with the resume that you  seem to find important and that is to include the SEC hype. Getting National Championships at a school that stays as stacked at pretty much every position obviously does not require an outstanding QB.

(06-24-2015, 06:18 PM)OSUfan Wrote: Pocket presence cannot be judged until he has 300 pounders bearing down on him with a full head of steam that are actually allowed to tattoo his ass...........

(06-24-2015, 06:20 PM)OSUfan Wrote: McCarron should not be judged by other Alabama QBs just as you cannot judge him by National Championships won in the collegiate ranks yet many seem to consistently offer those up along with being in the SEC as a stunning resume now don't they?

(06-25-2015, 02:46 PM)GodFather Wrote: Here's a hypothetical question for everyone. Do you think when Andy has one of those bad Andy games this year (and if you think he won't I have a bridge in Florida for sale real cheap) do you think Hue will put AJ in to see what he has in him on the field?

(06-25-2015, 03:02 PM)McC Wrote: I'm thinking no because Marvin has an epic fear of a QB controversy.

(06-25-2015, 03:42 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I suppose it depends what our record is.  It seems like lots of HC's switch QB's when things are going bad in hopes that the replacement shows enough potential to justify blaming everything on the QB.  See Marc Trestman in Chicago, every Browns season, the Texans, the Bills, etc.  Now, other than Chicago those are teams in QB hell at the moment, but if Dalton plays like garbage and we happen to be .500 or lower I can see Marvin MAYBE putting AJ out there in hopes that he shows enough to give an excuse to keep Marvin around to develop him.

Then again, Marvin Lewis doesn't seem to ever be on the hot-seat and we shouldn't be struggling in the W/L columns.  

(06-25-2015, 05:06 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: yeah unless all the WRs are hurt again i dont see andy having anywhere close to a 2014 season again...  Im expecting him to surpass his 2013 numbers in fewer attempts.