(07-16-2020, 07:54 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I wear a mask, but your question may be dumbest of all time.

The word might kills the question. If do a great job, I might give you a raise or I might let you keep your job. My point is need more certainty in your question in might. 

Quote:Update, my grandson was diagnosed today with the China Corona Virus. My daughter and rest of her immediate family are awaiting results. Good news is he feels great, just has to stay quarantined for 10 days or he has 5 days of no fever. BYW..They all have worn masks and stayed at home as much as possible, no friends r family contact, yet at least one has it.

(07-16-2020, 09:09 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: So is the nature of medicine. A medical provider can’t give you a guaranteed outcome. Especially when it involves the public health and working as a team. That’s why your doctor probably discusses with you what to do if things get worse.


The guidance is a little bit different . . .

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/end-home-isolation.html

Glad he feels great because most have cold or flu symptoms, but there is a chance he might get worse. Such as high fevers, shortness of breath, wheezing, worsening cough. If so he will need to be re-evaluated. Most likely in the ER.

Is that warning dumbest warning of all time because I used “might” and “if” and “likely”?

(07-16-2020, 03:11 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Here is something related to the NFL and covid.....

https://www.nfl.com/news/nflpa-72-players-tested-positive-for-covid-19-as-of-july-10

(07-16-2020, 10:23 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: How many 16 year olds do you know that got this virus? This was the first person I know personally who got it. He had slight fever, no cough or chills or shortness of breath so they said his case is mild thus their recommendation.

(07-16-2020, 02:22 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I agree with a lot of what you say here Wes but with just putting on and taking off the mask you are touching your face all the 
damn time which is not a good thing regardless of what sickness it is. If I was in the city and around a lot of people I would
wear a mask, but people are getting sick all the time while wearing them too.

I just don't think we know enough about this thing to say one way or the other definitively. 

People just saying wear the mask all the time and this will go away in a couple weeks I think are wrong too. The molecules in 
this virus are extremely small and get through masks so I think this notion is wrong to just always wear masks.

As is locking down and staying in your house all scared. This is not a good idea as when you eventually do get this thing your 
immune system will be down and it will hit you harder. 

(07-17-2020, 10:12 AM)PV Bengal Wrote: Here's what you ... and many others ... simply do not understand.

Masks work. Are they 100% effective? No. If masks were 100% effective, no medical personnel would have caught the disease. Yet, for the dangerous environment in which they work, not many have died. And don't forget, when they ran out of PPE, many of them use homemade masks. So who knows better, some moron on the internet with the IQ of a potato ... or a medical professional?

Social distancing works. The virus can't be transmitted far. Is there an actual barrier at 6 feet? No. Is 12 feet better? Yep. Is 20 feet even better? Abso-freaking-lutely.

Hand sanitation works. If you sanitize your hands before you put on AND remove your mask and sanitize them again after you dispose of your mask, the odds of YOU infecting YOURSELF via mask are virtually nil.

Right now masks, distancing and sanitization are THE ONLY TOOLS ON OUR BELT. We are in exactly the same boat as we were in during the Spanish Flu ... 100 freaking years ago. We have exactly the same tools as they did ... masks, distance, sanitization. Sure, our medication is better but we have nothing that prevents us from contracting the virus. Fewer people will die now because medical science is better. But the only things that can prevent us catching this virus ARE ALREADY KNOWN.

If 70% of the US practiced the above, we would have this bug under reasonable control in 4-6 weeks. If 90% practiced it, we'd have it under control a little faster.

Everybody on this board knows the classic definition of INSANITY ... doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results each time. Yet here we are ... a bunch of people not wearing masks, not socially distancing and not sanitizing AND BEING SURPRISED THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING. Talk about insanity!

(07-17-2020, 10:12 AM)PV Bengal Wrote: Here's what you ... and many others ... simply do not understand.

Masks work. Are they 100% effective? No. If masks were 100% effective, no medical personnel would have caught the disease. Yet, for the dangerous environment in which they work, not many have died. And don't forget, when they ran out of PPE, many of them use homemade masks. So who knows better, some moron on the internet with the IQ of a potato ... or a medical professional?

Social distancing works. The virus can't be transmitted far. Is there an actual barrier at 6 feet? No. Is 12 feet better? Yep. Is 20 feet even better? Abso-freaking-lutely.

Hand sanitation works. If you sanitize your hands before you put on AND remove your mask and sanitize them again after you dispose of your mask, the odds of YOU infecting YOURSELF via mask are virtually nil.

Right now masks, distancing and sanitization are THE ONLY TOOLS ON OUR BELT. We are in exactly the same boat as we were in during the Spanish Flu ... 100 freaking years ago. We have exactly the same tools as they did ... masks, distance, sanitization. Sure, our medication is better but we have nothing that prevents us from contracting the virus. Fewer people will die now because medical science is better. But the only things that can prevent us catching this virus ARE ALREADY KNOWN.

If 70% of the US practiced the above, we would have this bug under reasonable control in 4-6 weeks. If 90% practiced it, we'd have it under control a little faster.

Everybody on this board knows the classic definition of INSANITY ... doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results each time. Yet here we are ... a bunch of people not wearing masks, not socially distancing and not sanitizing AND BEING SURPRISED THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING. Talk about insanity!

(07-17-2020, 10:37 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Having said that, to assume people are not doing this is an assumption based on targeted pics to just show the small percent not wearing masks. The reality is it appears we are all putting off the inevitable and the China virus will hit anyone eventually without the immunity to fight it off.

(07-17-2020, 10:37 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Also, I keep hearing about more dangerous than the flu, yet the flu has had a vaccine for a very long time, yet lot of deaths still from the flu. My point is we don't know how this will shale out against the flu until the treatments are identified to minimize it and a vaccine is available.

(07-17-2020, 10:53 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Thank you, I have been making this point for a long time.  One of the biggest reasons that thr coronavirus is so much more deadly than the flu is that almost half the population gets a flu vaccine every year.

And since it is more deadly than the flu we have to take extra precautions to prevent the spread.

You talk about "isolating" older people as iuf they all live in nursing homes.  The fact is that many of these older people live with other family members.  It is impossible for them to all be "isolated".

(07-17-2020, 11:29 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Then those families need to make a sacrifice for their loved ones and others and self quarantine. 

Governors have mandated stay at home for all families in some states during this virus, so why not mandate those who have loved ones over 65 at home to stay at home or at a minimum isolate from them in their homes. My point is one size never fits all.

As for the ICU bed situation, to date no hospital (that cancelled elective surgeries) has had ICU bed shortages. It did not happen in New York as we saw Cuomo cry about it and then the POTUS ends up wasting valuable resources by building hospitals. The idiot allowed seniors to go back to nursing homes versus using those resources. Fact, as a result a lot of older people died.

What are hospitals doing to convert regular rooms to ICU units right now? Most nothing as they refuse to make the investment. In spite of the number of cases, the amount of serious cases and deaths continue to decline. We are finding out they are counting 1 person over and over again each time they are tested in states all over the country. We need accurate data, so the experts can put out the fires in the right places.

We need the criteria used by every state to determine cause of death. As you have said, reports of under reported, but also reports of over reported (people in hospice on death bed recorded as Cov-19 because they got it late in the process. Is money involved in cases reported or deaths reported due to China Cov-19? I hope not as we all know for money some would kill their mother.

As I am out (not often on purpose), I see 95% wearing masks. I require my 250 employees to wear masks. I installed plexiglass at every customer touch point and put plexiglass in between employees who can't social distance. My point is many people are working hard to keep employees and customers safe, it is priority #1 for me.

(07-17-2020, 10:12 AM)PV Bengal Wrote: Here's what you ... and many others ... simply do not understand.

Masks work. Are they 100% effective? No. If masks were 100% effective, no medical personnel would have caught the disease. Yet, for the dangerous environment in which they work, not many have died. And don't forget, when they ran out of PPE, many of them use homemade masks. So who knows better, some moron on the internet with the IQ of a potato ... or a medical professional?

Social distancing works. The virus can't be transmitted far. Is there an actual barrier at 6 feet? No. Is 12 feet better? Yep. Is 20 feet even better? Abso-freaking-lutely.

Hand sanitation works. If you sanitize your hands before you put on AND remove your mask and sanitize them again after you dispose of your mask, the odds of YOU infecting YOURSELF via mask are virtually nil.

Right now masks, distancing and sanitization are THE ONLY TOOLS ON OUR BELT. We are in exactly the same boat as we were in during the Spanish Flu ... 100 freaking years ago. We have exactly the same tools as they did ... masks, distance, sanitization. Sure, our medication is better but we have nothing that prevents us from contracting the virus. Fewer people will die now because medical science is better. But the only things that can prevent us catching this virus ARE ALREADY KNOWN.

If 70% of the US practiced the above, we would have this bug under reasonable control in 4-6 weeks. If 90% practiced it, we'd have it under control a little faster.

Everybody on this board knows the classic definition of INSANITY ... doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results each time. Yet here we are ... a bunch of people not wearing masks, not socially distancing and not sanitizing AND BEING SURPRISED THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING. Talk about insanity!

(07-17-2020, 02:20 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I commend you for all you do both personally and professionally to stop the spread of Covid 19, but could you please stop posting demonstrably false information?

There was a hospital near here that completely exceeded their ICU capacity and needed to divert patients to the hospital I work for. But, we couldn’t accept all their patients. So they had to divert to multiple hospitals.

The hospital also renovated a floor of a building for approximately 30 inpatient and 7 ICU beds at a cost of about $2 million while losing $25M/week due to decreased patient census and services.

You’re a businessman, do you invest $2M in something you probably won’t need in 18-24 months, especially while already operating at significant losses? I don’t think so.

Just two examples of false information. Because I don’t want to go through it line by line here.

(07-17-2020, 11:29 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Then those families need to make a sacrifice for their loved ones and others and self quarantine. 

Governors have mandated stay at home for all families in some states during this virus, so why not mandate those who have loved ones over 65 at home to stay at home or at a minimum isolate from them in their homes. My point is one size never fits all.

As for the ICU bed situation, to date no hospital (that cancelled elective surgeries) has had ICU bed shortages. It did not happen in New York as we saw Cuomo cry about it and then the POTUS ends up wasting valuable resources by building hospitals. The idiot allowed seniors to go back to nursing homes versus using those resources. Fact, as a result a lot of older people died.

What are hospitals doing to convert regular rooms to ICU units right now? Most nothing as they refuse to make the investment. In spite of the number of cases, the amount of serious cases and deaths continue to decline. We are finding out they are counting 1 person over and over again each time they are tested in states all over the country. We need accurate data, so the experts can put out the fires in the right places.

We need the criteria used by every state to determine cause of death. As you have said, reports of under reported, but also reports of over reported (people in hospice on death bed recorded as Cov-19 because they got it late in the process. Is money involved in cases reported or deaths reported due to China Cov-19? I hope not as we all know for money some would kill their mother.

As I am out (not often on purpose), I see 95% wearing masks. I require my 250 employees to wear masks. I installed plexiglass at every customer touch point and put plexiglass in between employees who can't social distance. My point is many people are working hard to keep employees and customers safe, it is priority #1 for me.

(07-17-2020, 03:47 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I am not trying to provide false info. The US has a ton of hospitals. My point is a small percent have experienced issues with ventilators (none to my knowledge) or ICU beds as of now NYC thought they would have issues, but in the end did not. I do not know where you work, but has your hospital shut down surgeries so no ICU beds needed for them? Yes, that is costly for a business (hospital), but it is costly for bars to be 100% closed and restaurants to have all eat in business on removed or greatly reduced due to mandates.

We all spent a lot of money and lost a lot of profit to make our businesses safer. Your hospital is no exception, they are he norm right now for businesses struggling to survive.

I am curious, where is your hospital located (city) and did they eliminate surgeries to do all they can to have ICU beds for the China Cov-19 patients in bad shape? If not, sounds  like they need to stop them immediately to put all resources, equipment and people towards the virus patients.