(03-06-2017, 07:09 PM)eoxyod Wrote: Fortunately LBs aren't crazy important if you have 1 really good one (Which obviously we do). Of course the DL needs to be revamped to do that (Maybe Nick Fairley :p )

(03-06-2017, 07:13 PM)McC Wrote: I'm going on record as saying that a play making S would do as much for our defense any any other position we might draft.  To say the position doesn't much matter is crazy talk.  Ya gotta have a center fielder.  He's the fixer, the clean up guy.  He sees the whole field.   It is critical to a championship defense.

(03-06-2017, 07:01 PM)eoxyod Wrote: This is where we underestimate new coaches so much. While yes, a new coach can help a positional group or higher be great in one season, there is almost always a transitional period from terminology, coaching style, and emergence of leadership. Losing Nelson hurt in that aspect because he was such a strong communicator, but losing him was most definitely okay as he is in/will hit decline very soon. The secondary is the absolute least of our worries

(03-06-2017, 07:24 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Except it's not okay because in the meantime he was a Pro Bowl safety in 2016 and the Bengals meanwhile were a losing team.

He is currently still a really good player, so losing him was no okay if the Bengals were ever serious about trying to win a Super Bowl in the short term. In the long term, it won't matter anyway, because then all their good players will get old themselves.

Window closing fast. Can't worry about if they'll decline in 2-3 years. They need to win now before it's too late.

(03-06-2017, 04:31 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I just realized that this defense is pretty much average or below average at every position group.

Seriously, what position group can you name that we are really good in? Linebacker, cornerback, defense line, safety?

(03-06-2017, 07:28 PM)eoxyod Wrote: This past year Nelson gave up a lot more than he got. He did get 5 ints which is great, but led a hot garbage Oakland secondary that was not helped by Nelson in too many other ways. 

(03-06-2017, 07:43 PM)McC Wrote: We would have been better if he was still here.

(03-06-2017, 07:48 PM)eoxyod Wrote: Perhaps, but not significantly enough to make a difference. Let a guy go a year too early rather than a year too late

(03-06-2017, 07:50 PM)J24 Wrote: Wish we did the same thing with Pacman.

(03-06-2017, 07:48 PM)eoxyod Wrote: Perhaps, but not significantly enough to make a difference. Let a guy go a year too early rather than a year too late

(03-06-2017, 08:48 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Or just get better coaches/front office people who can let them go right on time, getting all their best play and then cutting ties.

Don't lower your standards by settling for the lesser of two evils. We don't have to choose between Nelson and Peko.

There is some common sense.

(03-06-2017, 05:17 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Sounds about right. I thought it was blown out of proportion quite a bit last season.

We could definately get better at Safety but we weren't terrible there either.

The Linebackers on the other hand were out of position tons early last year, but that was mostly in the run game from what i saw.

(03-06-2017, 09:11 PM)TKUHL Wrote: As much as I would like to get Obi Melifonwu (I think that's spelled right) it all goes back to the line. Who knows Williams might be pretty good, kinda hard to judge them with a D line getting no pressure on QB's. As for Obi, he was my sleeper 2 months ago when he was ranked like 20th among safeties. So much for that. There's tons of talent on D this draft. Kinda wish we could fill some needs in FA so we can take BPA.

(03-06-2017, 09:35 PM)Derrick Wrote: Yep. The Bengals LBers are not built to defend passes in a pass-happy league. They would have been great in 1980s

(03-06-2017, 08:48 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Or just get better coaches/front office people who can let them go right on time, getting all their best play and then cutting ties.

Don't lower your standards by settling for the lesser of two evils. We don't have to choose between Nelson and Peko.

(03-06-2017, 10:33 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: I think it is unfair to rank the safety play in a vacuum.  Our pass rush was sub par.  Our linebacker coverage was, sub par.  Jones slipped, obviously.  Improve these areas and the safety play follows suit.  With 11 picks, in this draft, we should be able to find a nice developmental, fast ball hawking safety.

(03-06-2017, 10:28 PM)eoxyod Wrote: So what would you have proposed as a contract that Nelson would totally take, with your excellent knowledge of the exact time of Nelson's decline?

(03-06-2017, 11:27 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: You're obviously being sarcastic, but what's wrong with the contract he took from the Raiders? 2yr/$8.5m, plus some incentives, and ZERO dead money if they cut him right now.

(03-06-2017, 11:26 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Other than the top 4 i have rated being Hooker, Adams, Melifonwu and Budda Baker who do you got as a fast ball hawking Safety Zoo?

I like Derron Smith in this role already and he is on the team. He just needs to tackle better.

(03-06-2017, 10:01 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Nice post, this is exactly what FA is for, freeing up the draft to go BPA.

We don't need big splash signings. Not like we are asking for much.

We just want our decent players back like Whit and Rex. Maybe bring in a cheap FA like Wisnewski or even Mangold.

This would free up the draft.


Would be nice to bring in a Sean Spence and draft a Hassan Reddick or Zach Cunningham.