(03-09-2017, 04:07 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: So true, Fisher should be #1 on the depth chart at LT right now from what we have seen.

Ogbuehi needs to earn that spot from him. Draft Ramcyzk in the 2nd if he is there. Toth in the 3rd.

(03-09-2017, 04:14 PM)pdub2005 Wrote: I consider myself a relatively savvy football fan, but I know there are a lot of people on here that fancy themselves amateur scouts. So the question I ask is, did anyone see anything positive out of Ced's play this year? To me he looked pretty awful, but I was never an o-linemen.

(03-09-2017, 04:14 PM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: We will have to draft at least one G and one OT this year at the very least. I hate having to rely on someone whom isn't even in the building yet and may never be.

(03-09-2017, 04:18 PM)samhain Wrote: Ramcyzk is a waste of a pick and they are dumb if they draft him.  I've read several reports of personnel departments doubting that he even likes the game of football.  Sound familiar?  Let me remind you.  Johnathan Martin.  Chris Williams.  This is the kind of thing that happens when a dude is naturally gifted with a giant's body and the will to play ball leaves him.  They get their asses kicked and teams that draft them are left holding the bag.  I wouldn't draft a player surrounded by rumors like this if I had Dennis Roland as my only other option.

The deed is basically done with Whit.  It's Ogbuehi or bust in 2017, barring injury.  It's either going to pleasantly surprise or, as many of us suspect, torpedo our season.  If it does, then we'll get to pick a blue chip OT early in 2018.  Buckle up, Buckaroos!

(03-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Okeana Wrote: Ok so here are some of the factors that lead me to believe he could improve.  

1.  He's right handed and traditionally right handed tackles are much better at LT than RT.

2.  He has good footwork


3.  He really lacked in the strength department last year, but he was basically 1 year off and injury that limited him athletically.  If he works the entire off season he could make significant gains in this department and have a dramatic improvement.

(03-09-2017, 04:22 PM)Crowe Wrote: True, but remember this, a few years back the Cowboys had one of the worse lines in football, after like 2-3 drafts they now have the best line in the NFL. They grabbed Fredrick, Martin, Leary all with in the last 4 years, granted Leary supposedly just signed with Denver, pair them with Tyron Smith and Doug Free and boom best line in the NFL. 

What if Westerman is just as good if not better than Z? What if Fisher is a pretty good RT, that would give us 3 good lineman when you add in a healthy Boling, then if we could draft at least 1 good lineman and maybe grab Mangold at least as a stop gap, it could really work out well. I think both Fisher and Ced haven't been given enough snaps or time to really be this criticized and Westerman was highly regarded coming out last year and was buried behind veterans this past season, he could end up being our best lineman in a year or two.

(03-09-2017, 03:54 PM)milksheikh Wrote: http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Ced-Era-dawns-in-wake-of-Whit-departure/c93e990a-b32a-4c48-99c3-2ad08ef5beb0

(03-09-2017, 04:22 PM)Crowe Wrote: True, but remember this, a few years back the Cowboys had one of the worse lines in football, after like 2-3 drafts they now have the best line in the NFL. They grabbed Fredrick, Martin, Leary all with in the last 4 years, granted Leary supposedly just signed with Denver, pair them with Tyron Smith and Doug Free and boom best line in the NFL. 

What if Westerman is just as good if not better than Z? What if Fisher is a pretty good RT, that would give us 3 good lineman when you add in a healthy Boling, then if we could draft at least 1 good lineman and maybe grab Mangold at least as a stop gap, it could really work out well. I think both Fisher and Ced haven't been given enough snaps or time to really be this criticized and Westerman was highly regarded coming out last year and was buried behind veterans this past season, he could end up being our best lineman in a year or two.

(03-09-2017, 04:33 PM)Burma Wrote: You never trust state run media.

(03-09-2017, 03:54 PM)milksheikh Wrote: Believe it or not...

I think Ogbuehi's last year was a fluke and he will show that he was well worth that 1st round selection.

He's apparently working on gaining strength right now and knows he had a terrible season and he's ready to prove others wrong.

I still think Ced can be that Franchise tackle.

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Ced-Era-dawns-in-wake-of-Whit-departure/c93e990a-b32a-4c48-99c3-2ad08ef5beb0

(03-09-2017, 04:37 PM)snowy Wrote: Whatever happens, I hope the Bengals don't fart around all season before admitting something ain't working. That's down to coaching more than players, and I think its because the coaching egos in the room won't admit they were wrong.

(03-09-2017, 04:31 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: 4. He is really athletic.


Nice post, made me feel better Crowe. And even though we let Zeitler go before that pick people always said we
would never draft a Guard in the 1st cause we never did before. We might surprise and draft a Center in the 2nd or
3rd which could really solidify the interior OL if Westerman pans out.

I do like Westerman, loved the pick. He reminds me a lot of Zeitler in pass protection but he needs to get better in
the run game. Sucks having PA as the O-line coach, he cannot coach run blocking, dude is terrible at it.

Bottomline it looks like our entire O-line better be pumping the hell out of the weights this Offseason cause all of
them besides Boling and Bodine need to get stronger.

(03-09-2017, 04:34 PM)Okeana Wrote: Finally someone who sees reason.  

(03-09-2017, 03:54 PM)milksheikh Wrote: Believe it or not...

I think Ogbuehi's last year was a fluke and he will show that he was well worth that 1st round selection.

He's apparently working on gaining strength right now and knows he had a terrible season and he's ready to prove others wrong.

I still think Ced can be that Franchise tackle.

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Ced-Era-dawns-in-wake-of-Whit-departure/c93e990a-b32a-4c48-99c3-2ad08ef5beb0

(03-09-2017, 04:37 PM)snowy Wrote: Whatever happens, I hope the Bengals don't fart around all season before admitting something ain't working. That's down to coaching more than players, and I think its because the coaching egos in the room won't admit they were wrong.

(03-09-2017, 04:51 PM)Crowe Wrote: Thanks Nate! 

Yea I agree, I know we have trends that we take as a team, but in reality all it takes is for us to draft 1 really good lineman and sign a serviceable lineman and who knows our line could at least be better than this past years was. I have faith that Westerman will do ok.

Yes our line needs to get stronger. I think with Cedric O, his issue could have been more mental, I mean he was coming off of a major injury when he was drafted so that could have played into his issues, plus you have to think that was his first real game action since he got injured even though he went in as an extra pass blocker at the end of his rookie year. Fisher has to be better at RT than what we had this season so that's also a plus.

(03-09-2017, 05:05 PM)zygrot24 Wrote: I do think Ced improves, big time actually.  The reason he was so good in college is because he's an athletic freak.  With the ACL that he went down with, his whole rookie off season was shot from the start.  I think the little experience he got last year will actually help. Now he should be 100% he can get to work, get his strength up, and get his feet right . Honestly think people are going to be very surprised with him

Before the injury, the guy was mocked as a top 5 pick overall for a reason . Think he's going to be a great surprise.