(04-04-2017, 04:24 PM)rezolve11 Wrote: I don't think the list is very good, but how would you guys rank all the QBs? Not even in tiers, just 1-28? Leaving out Niners, Jets, Texans, and Browns.

(04-03-2017, 03:30 PM)jj22 Wrote: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-qb-tiers-from-franchise-guys-to-just-guys-where-your-likely-starter-ranks/

Thoughts.

Hopefully one day we get back to the playoffs so players who have the "loser" cloud over them can win a game and hopefully not let that dictate how their career is remembered.

Stafford/Carr "proven winners".....

(04-03-2017, 10:46 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Hey, a more positive word for predictable could be reliable.

Lol... it's just the natural course of events. The mock drafts will start flooding in more as it creeps closer. Then the draft will happen and the vast majority will talk about how the Bengals got and A on their draft grades, so it must mean they had the best draft in eternity and all the players will end up being great, with extra love for some 3rd or 4th round pick who is seen as a super-value pick.

Then there will start being polls about which draft pick the Bengals took will have the biggest impact, while a small contingent of the forum will be hyping the ever-loving shit out of some 6th or 7th round player who will most likely never see the field, and some undrafted WR who will be on the PS for the next two seasons.

Then it'll be time for a bunch of camp threads about how much so-and-so worked out in the offseason, or how so-and-so is poised for a huge breakout season.

Next will be Preseason threads about how a 2nd stinger dominating versus a 3rd stringer means they're going to have a breakout season.

Finally season prediction and roster cut threads.


So it has been, and so shall it always be.

(04-05-2017, 01:26 PM)Wyche Wrote: How do you know these things.....are you some sort of oracle or something?

(04-03-2017, 10:46 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Hey, a more positive word for predictable could be reliable.

Lol... it's just the natural course of events. The mock drafts will start flooding in more as it creeps closer. Then the draft will happen and the vast majority will talk about how the Bengals got and A on their draft grades, so it must mean they had the best draft in eternity and all the players will end up being great, with extra love for some 3rd or 4th round pick who is seen as a super-value pick.

Then there will start being polls about which draft pick the Bengals took will have the biggest impact, while a small contingent of the forum will be hyping the ever-loving shit out of some 6th or 7th round player who will most likely never see the field, and some undrafted WR who will be on the PS for the next two seasons.

Then it'll be time for a bunch of camp threads about how much so-and-so worked out in the offseason, or how so-and-so is poised for a huge breakout season.

Next will be Preseason threads about how a 2nd stinger dominating versus a 3rd stringer means they're going to have a breakout season.

Finally season prediction and roster cut threads.


So it has been, and so shall it always be.

(04-03-2017, 10:15 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I so thought this would be a uniform thread.

(04-06-2017, 03:22 PM)jason Wrote: Me too. Do away with the round numbers.

(04-03-2017, 10:33 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: To the OP, national media hasn't respected Dalton since he was drafted. I think his perception was sealed when he was drafted after AJ Green. Any success he's had is always credited to AJ Green, while he receives all the blame for disappointment. He literally can't win over the national media. Not without a title and good luck getting that wearing stripes.

The list itself is pretty typical. Calling Carr and Stafford proven winners was silly. Flacco and Smith being behind guys like Taylor and Tannehill is silly. Dalton is of course behind a lot of guys he's been much better than. Oh well. La Confora's opinionis no better than anyone else's.

(04-07-2017, 08:32 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I know, but it still pisses me off.  I will never understand how people claim Dalton is only serviceable and needs an elite supporting cast.  Every QB needs weapons and protection.  Brady has had a very average season when his line struggled.  Piggy isn't piggy without Bell or Brown.  Rogers struggled recently when he lost Nelson.  

I think if the Bengals nail this draft, Dalton will break his franchise records for yards and TDs and be right back in the MVP discussion.

(04-07-2017, 12:22 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Same here, Dalton has his weaknesses but being a loser is not one of them. Dalton can be very accurate at times and throws
darts as good as anyone. He also is a very good deep ball passer contrary to popular opinion, better than Tom Brady who is a
QB who likes to pick Defenses apart more than go deep.

If particularly Ogbuehi plays well i see your prediction of Dalton being in the MVP discussion very real.

He has weapons and we will add another one or two. The running game could improve with Andre at RG, Boling being healthy,
Fisher staying at one position, a new Center and adding a RB. This will take some pressure off of Dalton.

(04-08-2017, 09:15 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Careful, Nate...I started more than a few forest fires by merely "using Dalton and Brady in the same sentence".  

So much is pending on Ced's performance at LT, I am starting to think the Bengals should seriously consider making a move on Cam Robinson if he is still around at, say, #25 overall.  If they slide a few spots in Rd 1 and still get Ross or Davis, they could use that acquired 2nd rounder to package with their third rounder and go after Robinson.  

The way I look at it is that if Ced somehow beats out Cam Robinson, it is a huge win and we groom Robinson to the RG of the future, where he will likely be one of the best in the league.

If he beats Ced, we have the LT of the future and we have improved the biggest weakness on our line.  Huge win that we have for 5 years before he hits FA at pick #25  (or so) dollars.  

We would still have a 2nd round pick and that could be used on Jordan Willis the DE.

A first three rounds with Ross, Robinson, and Willis would make this team a much improved squad vs. last year.  

BTW, I completely agree that the running game will already be improved with the massive Smith at RG and Fisher finally finding a home at RT.  

(04-08-2017, 02:25 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Eh, im not scurred. It is the truth, people can bash it all they want but Brady is not a deep passing QB.

I think we just have to hope Og improves, sucks, Cam is not worth the pick at 9 in my opinion and i doubt we
trade to get him. We would be showing our hand and admitting Og was a mistake, Marv and PA won't do this.

The only way we get Cam Robinson is if we make that trade with the Stains and he falls to #33 i think.

Would love that trade, would really help this team more than keeping a backup QB that holds onto the ball too
long. While i think AJM is a very good backup QB, his value is at its peak right now.

Strike while the iron is hot.

(04-09-2017, 10:28 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: If Cam is still there at pick #33 there are a lot of teams that will be wanting to trade with the Browns for that pick.  Only we have AJM!

On the Ced note, I don't think it would necessarily be an admission of error with Ced, because you could say that Cam is slotted to be the RG of the future.  If Ced falls flat on his face, then you have at least an option at LT.  

Robinson, IMHO, is a beast and can play any position other than Center and be dominant.  

I fear that all this talk of him slipping, etc, is just a bunch of crap and he will go around 15-20 making it a moot point.  I don't see Bolles as the kind of mauler the Bengals need in the running game.  Ditto Garcia.  They may be more prototypical bodies and feet for LT, but they remind me a bit too much of Ced and his feet look great as he get shoved back 8 yards, but he can't hold up against NFL DEs.