(05-06-2017, 09:20 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Why would we not see LaFell playing.. Ross will play, so will LaFell.. also a draft pick does not mean that that player is just a starter right off the bat.. players have to know the system, practice hard, execute etc... 

right now you are just playing on paper... that is all a draft pick is until reality sets in.

So my answer is i believe they will earn playing time, not be just given it 

(05-06-2017, 06:54 PM)Joelist Wrote: I think we all agree that our offense got a big infusion of speed in the draft. However, as always with Marvin you wind up wondering if we'll actually see that speed put out on the field and used right away.

For instance, will we put Ross out there right away and draw up plays where he can use his speed to burn a defense? Or will we see LaFell out there as the coaches claim Ross needs to "absorb the entire offense"?

And will we see Mixon out there and running plays designed to let him burn the defense with his jets? Or are we going to see Hill out there running for 2 and a cloud of dust while we get claims from the coaches that he needs to show in practice he knows the offense?

(05-07-2017, 11:43 AM)McC Wrote: Okay, so you're Marvin.  What do we need to get out of this draft?  We need to get faster.  Okay, let's take the fastest guy to ever run at the combine.  He's a guy whose game starts with speed but far from ends there, a guy who can affect defenses with his mere presence on the field.  Okay, now, let's not play him.

Next, we'll take one of the most controversial figures to ever be in the draft.  NO ONE doubts his talent.  So, let's take him and the shitstorm of scrutiny that comes with him.  Now. let's sit him for a year.  We'll suffer the backlash and get nothing in return.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  Sheesh.

(05-06-2017, 09:20 PM)Bengalsrob Wrote: It's a shame we have to ask this question but we do. Think about it, if we were most ANY other team would we have to ask? We shouldn't have to ask here either, but the question makes all the sense in the world, unfortunately.

(05-06-2017, 06:54 PM)Joelist Wrote: I think we all agree that our offense got a big infusion of speed in the draft. However, as always with Marvin you wind up wondering if we'll actually see that speed put out on the field and used right away.

For instance, will we put Ross out there right away and draw up plays where he can use his speed to burn a defense? Or will we see LaFell out there as the coaches claim Ross needs to "absorb the entire offense"?

And will we see Mixon out there and running plays designed to let him burn the defense with his jets? Or are we going to see Hill out there running for 2 and a cloud of dust while we get claims from the coaches that he needs to show in practice he knows the offense?

(05-07-2017, 03:13 PM)kevin Wrote: The key is rebuilding the offensive line. Without blocking you could have Johnny Unitas, Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Lynn Swann, Shockey and Gronk, and any other QBs, RBs TEs, WRs of all-time in their best years ......and without blocking they would not win a game. .......Other teams have talent at QB, WR, TE, RB, FB.   We have not proven we excel in these areas, it's what fans have on paper. The game is not played on paper and on the gridiron it will take BLOCKING.....IF WE HAVE BLOCKING and TACKLING, WE WILL WIN.  IF WE DON'T WE WILL LOSE......This is why I give the draft a C because we passed on blocking in 3rd, 4th and early in 5th round.  We passed on some good talent at center and guard and tackle.   This is why I hope the undrafted free agent O Lineman from Texas pans out for us.   Had we taken an O lineman in 3 or 4 or even early in 5, I could give this draft a B.   Not addressing O Line when talent was on the board in spite of needs on O Line reduces this draft to a C.  If this team can't block, it can't win. 

(05-07-2017, 03:13 PM)kevin Wrote: The key is rebuilding the offensive line. Without blocking you could have Johnny Unitas, Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Lynn Swann, Shockey and Gronk, and any other QBs, RBs TEs, WRs of all-time in their best years ......and without blocking they would not win a game. .......Other teams have talent at QB, WR, TE, RB, FB.   We have not proven we excel in these areas, it's what fans have on paper. The game is not played on paper and on the gridiron it will take BLOCKING.....IF WE HAVE BLOCKING and TACKLING, WE WILL WIN.  IF WE DON'T WE WILL LOSE......This is why I give the draft a C because we passed on blocking in 3rd, 4th and early in 5th round.  We passed on some good talent at center and guard and tackle.   This is why I hope the undrafted free agent O Lineman from Texas pans out for us.   Had we taken an O lineman in 3 or 4 or even early in 5, I could give this draft a B.   Not addressing O Line when talent was on the board in spite of needs on O Line reduces this draft to a C.  If this team can't block, it can't win. 

(05-07-2017, 01:06 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: These guys have a lot to prove to get playing time.

1. Experts on the entire playbook.
2. Can they block sufficiently and no be a liability.

It is more than running or catching a football, they also have to be able to do all things well and that is why many rookies on many teams don't start or get a lot of snaps. Not because coaches are stupid, but because any weakness they have will be detected quickly by a DC or an OC and that becomes the point of attack.

(05-07-2017, 04:50 PM)McC Wrote: They DO NOT have to be experts on the entire playbook to play.  That is just crazy talk.

(05-07-2017, 06:36 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: So if AD audibles, they have no role?

All players need to be experts knowing plays. One blown assignment can kill a play and lead to major mistakes. Nothing crazy holding players accountable to know their plays.

(05-07-2017, 06:48 PM)McC Wrote: Boyd started as a rookie.  Ross will play plenty.  And how do you know he won't know the entire playbook when the season starts?  Have you ignored everything Marvin and Paulie G have said ? 

The first four picks will play.  Count on it.

(05-06-2017, 06:54 PM)Joelist Wrote: I think we all agree that our offense got a big infusion of speed in the draft. However, as always with Marvin you wind up wondering if we'll actually see that speed put out on the field and used right away.

For instance, will we put Ross out there right away and draw up plays where he can use his speed to burn a defense? Or will we see LaFell out there as the coaches claim Ross needs to "absorb the entire offense"?

And will we see Mixon out there and running plays designed to let him burn the defense with his jets? Or are we going to see Hill out there running for 2 and a cloud of dust while we get claims from the coaches that he needs to show in practice he knows the offense?

(05-06-2017, 08:13 PM)PDub80 Wrote: - Ross can't actually practice until August. I expect him to be brought along slowly.

- Malone might have an interesting impact early and often as a 3rd option on the outside. I think he could be a star.

- Not based on talent, but based on general Bengals coaching practices, I expect Mixon to be a complimentary back this season, with Hill being the featured back. When Gio comes along I think Mixon gets pushed down rather than Hill.

- I like the chances on the kid Wilson on ST as a return man. He could catch hold.

- I think that the DE, Willis, might take a season or two.

- The guy I think who could make the biggest impact this season (other than, possibly, the kicker) is The Law Dog, Carl Lawson. I see him as potentially having the most impact as a rookie. I think that Carl Lawson is going to be a guy that comes on so strong that the coaches find ways to get him on the field and he produces.

- Schreck, I can see actually pushing Kroft and Uzomah. I think Schreck could be a sleeping dragon and a sneaky good pick.

(05-06-2017, 10:44 PM)jeremydc Wrote: Nothing in our recent past shows that we will use ROSS/MIXON 'plenty'

Unless there is an injury and/or Gio isn't ready to go, expect to see them around 20-30% of the snaps