(06-22-2017, 04:43 PM)J24 Wrote: I think they know it's his last season here no matter what.

(06-22-2017, 02:45 PM)TheUberHuber Wrote: And tbh, with all the success Lewis has had, if he wins a super bowl he could be compared to madden. Sounds stupid, but the comparison is made to highlight the fact that it's a tough league. You can win the division year after year but can also lose to a hail marry to the Damn steelers! Doesn't make you not able to eventually win a super bowl... this stigma of a coach "not able to win" something is not a sound argument.  It is, in fact, a fallacy.  And that is my point.

(06-22-2017, 01:06 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I think they all know the deal with the zero playoff wins and what that has done to the fanbase. He's at that point of win one or be gone.... He built the franchise up from where it was, but this is a "what have you done for me lately" league....

(06-22-2017, 02:09 PM)TheUberHuber Wrote: No he isnt. If Mike Brown is anything he is predictable,  and firing a winning head coach is just not something he is going to do. Also, this fallacy argument that firing marvin is going to magically get us a playoff win is absurd. Ask the reds how that one works

(06-22-2017, 03:43 PM)masterpanthera_t Wrote: I don't believe replacing Marvin should be that hard, seeing how the draft and scouting part of the organization does well and is in place with a clear hierarchy.  The team has a good qb, good defense with potential to become great, with the addition of the new personnel in this draft and almost the same thing on offense.  It shouldn't be hard to either identify an up and coming coach and bring him on board, or to have a good former coach who is currently out of the game, to come in for a couple seasons.  However, considering that this is a MB owned team, it may not be realistic to expect that a transition would be smooth to a new coach, simply because MB is not keen on conceding any ground to the new coach that Marvin had to work hard to earn.  Given those constraints, it will likely be difficult to find any replacement which is not in house, and that, I'm not sure would work out better.  IMO, Zimmer would have been the right guy to transition into Head Coach, but that train has long left the station.  Unlike many other posters here, I'm not a believer in Hue Jackson, and don't think he would have done better than Marvin.

(06-22-2017, 07:06 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: I'm not a huge fan of Hue either. I like him, I think he'll do good things for the Browns but... We could do better. I really liked Vance Joseph, it's a real shame that Denver snagged him before we could. 

Realistically, if Marvin were to go, sounds like Guenther would be next in line. I'm not so sure how I'd feel about that. Maybe if Marv had let him make the personnel changes he wants to last year, we'd all have a better idea of what Guenther has as far as football IQ 

(06-22-2017, 06:47 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: Who the hell is saying that? Us rational thinkers realize that Marvin isn't the one to get us a playoff win (let alone a super bowl) so we're ready to move on and take a chance on someone else. What is the point of sticking with something that doesn't work? 

(06-22-2017, 03:31 PM)TheUberHuber Wrote: I should note that I am not a marvin fanboy.. I just think replacing him with someone better is going to be a lot harder than people think

(06-22-2017, 08:19 PM)Dr. Bombay Wrote: For 15 years John Elway proved he could not win a Super Bowl.

Wonder why the Broncos did not replace him?

(06-22-2017, 07:56 PM)masterpanthera_t Wrote: The more I think about this, I don't think Guenther would do too terribly, because I don't doubt his defensive IQ.  Considering the personnel team already in place, I don't think the team would have any problem identifying talent.  Guenther probably would be good to great at developing defensive talent.  I'm not sure if Marvin is missing some intangible as a coach that leads to discplined players who play confidently in the big games or if Guenther would be any better at that, but I feel like Guenther would be a guy who could get the team playing with aggression and belief.  But I will openly admit that it's only my own speculation based on Guenther's "appearance" on the sideline.  Which could be completely wrong.  I would probably prefer an attacking offensive coach to take the offense to another level, but that definitely doesn't seem to be in-house.  

(06-22-2017, 08:25 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Tbh, I couldn't care less at this point. At least the losing (if we lose) would come with some hope for the future.

(06-23-2017, 12:43 AM)Dr. Bombay Wrote: So if we go 4-12 for a couple of years in a row you are still going to think we have a better chance of winning a playoff game than with Marvin?

Why is that?  Why woul having a losing record give you more hope thasn making the playoffs under Marvin?

(06-22-2017, 09:29 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: Because Elway played like one of the best QB's of all time throughout 90% of his career. Marvin is one of worst Primetime and postseason coaches of all time. With Elway, you always saw the upside and knew damn well he wasn't the main reason for lack of postseason success. Marvin, the head coach of many different Bengal teams with  different players, coaches, schemes etc... All have wilted under the pressure in Primetime and playoff games countless times. Who's the one constant here?

Terrible comparison. 

(06-23-2017, 12:53 AM)Dr. Bombay Wrote: In Elways first three Super Bowls he had completed less than 50 percent of his passes (46-101) with 1 td and 6 ints.

He had "proven" that he could not win a Super Bowl just as much as Marvin has "proven" he can not win a playoff game.  Elways success in getting to the Super Bowl was meaningless.  At least that was what all the "rational" Bronco fans said.

(06-23-2017, 08:56 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: My response to what the players said:  Meh.  Not much here, just typical player speak about team, winning, etc.  They know better than to put their results on their coach.

My response to Marv's current situation:  Prove it.  Marv had to deal with a horrible kicking game a year ago that single-handedly lost two games and lead to another tie.  He has dealt with unfortunate injuries at key positions and inopportune times.  So has every other coach.  Not just the NFL, but virtually every job is "what have you done for me lately"?  He has been given all the tools to go deep in to the playoffs and potentially win it all.  The Bengals didn't have to give him this opportunity.  I was very excited at the proposed "transition plan" to Hue Jackson, who I was 100% behind as our coach of the future.  However, the Browns overwhelmed him and wouldn't let him leave without a contract.  Good for them.  I applaud that dedication.  It screwed the Bengals, and the answer was not to throw it to someone from outside or a guy like Paulie G before he was ready.  

Marv was the option that gave us the best chance to win this year, historical record in the postseason notwithstanding.  

Personally, I love Marv for what he has done for this organization.  I also hate his conservative nature and his inability to manage the clock.  Hurry up looks like a middle school team that has never tried it before.  Drives me nuts.  

In the end, I feel he deserves this last shot at the big one.  Paulie will likely take over next year, regardless of the result.