(10-09-2017, 11:25 AM)bfine32 Wrote: The thing is you get labeled a "Dalton hater" when you try to blame Andy for anything he does bad.

(10-09-2017, 02:37 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Eli Manning, and he has two Super Bowl rings.

(10-09-2017, 10:27 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Dalton is an above average QB at his best. He'll have 2-3 really good games. 2-3 really bad games. And a bunch of average to above average games.

This game fits in the above average category.

(10-09-2017, 02:19 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Would love to see a little more urgency.

When its 3rd and 2. Dont throw the ball 10 yards out of bounds. Why not at least give someone a chance?

(10-09-2017, 02:58 PM)Daddy-O Wrote: With a really good defense, which the Bengals have, a punt is not a bad play whereas a risking a turnover is.  Football is about field position.  Punt the ball, try to get a 3 and out and go back on the offensive.

(10-09-2017, 02:46 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Fair enough, but he plays in New York. Plus the criticism dropped quite a bit when he got a ring.

I was thinking about Cincinnati sports figures though. Dalton certainly has to be at or near the top.

Dude got boo'd at a charity game for pete's sake. He's still been getting boo'd during wins. The fan base hates the guy.

If he has a good game, we're dissecting a bad throw on 2nd down from the 3rd quarter.

(10-09-2017, 02:46 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Fair enough, but he plays in New York. Plus the criticism dropped quite a bit when he got a ring.

I was thinking about Cincinnati sports figures though. Dalton certainly has to be at or near the top.

Dude got boo'd at a charity game for pete's sake. He's still been getting boo'd during wins. The fan base hates the guy.

If he has a good game, we're dissecting a bad throw on 2nd down from the 3rd quarter.

(10-09-2017, 02:40 PM)PhilHos Wrote: This is simply not true. You get labeled a 'Dalton hater' when you don't give Andy credit for the good things he has done and/or criticize him for things that aren't his fault and/or criticize for him things that are simply just not true.

People STILL think Dalton can't throw deep passes and that he has a weak arm when that's just not true.

(10-09-2017, 11:25 AM)bfine32 Wrote: The thing is you get labeled a "Dalton hater" when you try to blame Andy for anything he does bad. That first INT was on Andy Dalton and anyone who thinks otherwise immediately has their ability to make a sound decision called into question. The ball was high and behind AJ. He and the ball were going opposite directions and it had heat on it in the rain. Bottom line: I was a poorly thrown ball that got intercepted. All AJ did was to try to make a play.



While we are on the subject of should have caught. The Bills' defender should have caught that last throw Andy put right in his breadbasket. That happens and there's a very good chance yesterday's game has a different outcome.

(10-09-2017, 03:33 PM)firstand10 Wrote: My,My,how things have changed! A week ago everybody seemed to be on Daltons case about his QB performance. Now a few of you seem to be backing up a little. What happened? My take on this is, let's see how the season unfolds and where the team ends up. If it turns around, then I'll be one of the first to eat "Crow"

(10-09-2017, 03:22 PM)The Real Deal Wrote: These two paragraphs by you are:

laughable.

Are you trying to say that the defender that should have intercepted the pass was not going in the opppsite direction of the ball just as you say AJ was? Because if my memory serves me correctly, and it does, the defender was going across the screen right to left pretty quickly. However the ball hit him in his left shoulder pad. Bad decision to throw that pass from Andy? No doubt about it. But to imply that he should have absolutely caught that INT, but at the same time place full blame on dalton and let AJ off the hook for not catching the pass intended for him that was a little off the mark?

Laughable.

(10-09-2017, 03:13 PM)bengalsfansince93 Wrote: It is true Andy does have a weak arm compared to others.  You don't judge arm strength on deep throws that have air under it.  All NFL QBs can throw the ball 60-70 yards with enough arc .  Where you judge arm strength is on passes 20-30 yards and the zip that is on the ball. Andy is fine throwing 10 to 15 yards with zip/strength but beyond that its noticeable to me that his balls lose steam.   Don't take this as be bashing AD I'm just stating the obvious.

(10-09-2017, 03:13 PM)bengalsfansince93 Wrote: It is true Andy does have a weak arm compared to others.  You don't judge arm strength on deep throws that have air under it.  All NFL QBs can throw the ball 60-70 yards with enough arc .  Where you judge arm strength is on passes 20-30 yards and the zip that is on the ball. Andy is fine throwing 10 to 15 yards with zip/strength but beyond that its noticeable to me that his balls lose steam.   Don't take this as be bashing AD I'm just stating the obvious.

(10-09-2017, 03:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I am saying the first INT was the result of  poorly thrown ball by Andy Dalton. Feel free to laugh if you want. 

I am saying the final throw by Andy Dalton could have easily been intercepted. Once again feel free to laugh.

The second INT was completely on AJ. 

(10-09-2017, 03:13 PM)bengalsfansince93 Wrote: It is true Andy does have a weak arm compared to others.  You don't judge arm strength on deep throws that have air under it.  All NFL QBs can throw the ball 60-70 yards with enough arc .  Where you judge arm strength is on passes 20-30 yards and the zip that is on the ball. Andy is fine throwing 10 to 15 yards with zip/strength but beyond that its noticeable to me that his balls lose steam.   Don't take this as be bashing AD I'm just stating the obvious.

(10-09-2017, 03:13 PM)bengalsfansince93 Wrote: You don't judge arm strength on deep throws that have air under it. 

(10-09-2017, 03:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I cannot speak of Andy's arm strength; I can only go by what those paid to assess such things claim.

I will say that the weakest arm in the NFL is most likely the strongest arm any of us have seen in real life. I served with a guy that played at a small school college program. The guy's arm was incredible, he would wow folks with his throws. 

Now this was a nobody from nowhere. I'm sure a player such as Andy would amaze layman that witnessed it. I will agree that the ability to throw a long ball is no indicator of arm strength. How much zip can you put on that 10 yard out throwing off your back foot or on the move. 

(10-09-2017, 03:10 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Exactly proves the point of this thread. Dalton is damn if he does or doesn't. You are absolutely right Daddy-o, nobody open you toss it away and punt. Let our D stop them.

(10-09-2017, 02:35 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Dalton has always been a good QB, period. Better since 2015 of course, but he's always been good. 

Good QB's have bad days. People just need to come to grips with that. You name me any QB in any season, and I'll show you at least a couple bad games. Possibly 3-4 or more depending on the season. There is no QB who is always good, all the time. 

I just wish people would accept Dalton as what he is. Not elite (top 5) but very good (top 12ish). Stop redefining his legacy with every throw, every game. If he throws a 50 yard rope on the run, it doesn't make him Aaron Rodgers. If he tosses a few high and has an off game, it doesn't mean he's a scrub. Ever since we drafted this guy, literally everything has been overreaction city. I've never seen a more scrutinized player in my entire life.