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RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - wolfkaosaun - 12-07-2017 Rewatched a few games this year. This defense struggles a lot in zone coverage. When it comes to man, they're actually pretty good. However, many 3rd downs that they allowed came on 3rd down. Watch the Steelers game. In the first half, the Bengals did very well when playing man and two safeties over the top or double teaming certain players. It wasn't until the 2nd half they started using more man coverage. Kirkaptrick, Dennard, and WJIII are so much better in man than zone. Our linebackers also struggle in zone coverage and have lost players before. That goes for players on offense as well. It just feels lately that Marvin is trying to have players play to his scheme rather than their strengths. RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - XenoMorph - 12-07-2017 (12-07-2017, 12:07 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The Patriots have a scheme and pick guys that fit it. The Bengals? Not so much. We might go best player available...but we don't seem to take into account scheme. Do we have a scheme? On Defense when Zim was here we played a lot of man. I believe. (when kirk was drafted) Drafting guys that fit our scheme - BenZoo2 - 12-07-2017 The only scheme here is duping the fans to continue the profit machine Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 12-08-2017 (12-07-2017, 03:05 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Rewatched a few games this year. Changed the one word from man to ZONE in the 2nd half sentence, perfect. That is one of the biggest problems with Marv, makes our team constantly go away from what is working... RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - XenoMorph - 12-08-2017 (12-07-2017, 03:17 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: The only scheme here is duping the fans to continue the profit machine with profit sharing that's on Every NFL fan RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - redwood - 12-08-2017 (12-07-2017, 04:25 AM)kevin Wrote: Well if none of the coaches are signed and team is going in a whole new direction, then WE DON'T HAVE A SCHEME.We HAVE invested in various positions. We may find that the future of McCarron + Eifort is uncertain. Either way, we WILL add to the O-line, maybe 2 of our top 3 picks. we may pick a RB but.. likely shoot for a sleeper later. LB dept? I saw PROGRESS by the O-line. We MAY find that the guys we spent rather high picks on..CAN play in the right circumstance, and well coached. RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 12-08-2017 (12-08-2017, 04:05 PM)redwood Wrote: We HAVE invested in various positions. We may find that the future of McCarron + Eifort is uncertain. Either way, we WILL add to the O-line, maybe 2 of our top 3 picks. we may pick a RB but.. likely shoot for a sleeper later. LB dept? With new coaches there is hope even for our worst players like Og or Vigil. Bodine needs to go though, he has shown all he has IMHO. He was PA's pick anyways, let the new OL coach pick his Center. RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - SunsetBengal - 12-08-2017 (12-08-2017, 04:12 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: With new coaches there is hope even for our worst players like Og or Vigil. That is a great point. Look at teams like the Patriots and Steelers. They do a tremendous job of not only selecting players that you've never heard of, but also developing them to fit perfectly into their respective schemes. When contract time comes, they don't overpay to keep a player, they just let them walk, and pull the next one in off the shelf. The management of those teams know the real value is in having great coaching and scouting. When you have good coaches and scouts, you don't need to "hit the jackpot" on a perfect draft, you just develop whatever you have on hand into what you need. RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - THE PISTONS - 12-08-2017 (12-08-2017, 04:05 PM)redwood Wrote: We HAVE invested in various positions. We may find that the future of McCarron + Eifort is uncertain. Either way, we WILL add to the O-line, maybe 2 of our top 3 picks. we may pick a RB but.. likely shoot for a sleeper later. LB dept? Yeah we might draft lineman...but how many will be starter quality? Maybe 1. Drafts generally don't upgrade a team in Year 1. We absolutely have to sign a free agent somewhere on the offensive line. RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - THE PISTONS - 12-08-2017 (12-08-2017, 04:44 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That is a great point. Look at teams like the Patriots and Steelers. They do a tremendous job of not only selecting players that you've never heard of, but also developing them to fit perfectly into their respective schemes. When contract time comes, they don't overpay to keep a player, they just let them walk, and pull the next one in off the shelf. To me that is the sign of good scouting. Bengals fans get all excited when the Bengals draft guys they've heard of from big schools. Teams with deep scouting departments find guys from small schools that you've never heard of that come in and play well. RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 12-08-2017 (12-08-2017, 04:44 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That is a great point. Look at teams like the Patriots and Steelers. They do a tremendous job of not only selecting players that you've never heard of, but also developing them to fit perfectly into their respective schemes. When contract time comes, they don't overpay to keep a player, they just let them walk, and pull the next one in off the shelf. So true, if we had great coaches, losing players like Whit and Zeitler wouldn't completely cripple our season. We could just move on to the next up and comers, with poor coaching, the next guys up are not ready. Like in your other thread, MB moving aside and Katie hiring a GM would be the best start. Then hire all new coaches and get bigger in the scouting dept. This would be the ultimate change in a good way. RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - SunsetBengal - 12-08-2017 (12-08-2017, 05:02 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: To me that is the sign of good scouting. Bengals fans get all excited when the Bengals draft guys they've heard of from big schools. Teams with deep scouting departments find guys from small schools that you've never heard of that come in and play well. Talent evaluation isn't just limited to looking at players at the college level. Being able to identify players with traits that fit well into your team's schemes are also on other pro teams, and get cut every year for whatever reason(s). For example, Jon Toth was cut by the Eagles this preseason. Don't mean that he's worthless, he had surgery, and couldn't get up to speed in camp to be able to compete for a job. Hopefully, the Bengals will be giving him a call, and adding him to the roster, as soon as the league year ends. RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 12-08-2017 (12-08-2017, 05:17 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Talent evaluation isn't just limited to looking at players at the college level. Being able to identify players with traits that fit well into your team's schemes are also on other pro teams, and get cut every year for whatever reason(s). Great example, wanted us to draft Toth too. If you look at teams like the Eagles or Cowboys, their scraps from their O-lines might be better than most of our starters. RE: Drafting guys that fit our scheme - BengalChris - 12-09-2017 (12-07-2017, 02:42 PM)Synric Wrote: No. They play bump and run almost exclusively. It's Nick Saban's thing. You know I completely mis-remembered what the issue was when Kirkpatrick came out. You are correct. The issue was that Saban didn't teach backpedaling and Kirkpatrick had never learned how to do it. Here's the article from the time. http://smartfootball.com/defense/why-nick-saban-doesnt-teach-backpedaling#sthash.l6TRgCnC.dpbs |