(12-28-2017, 11:02 AM)Yojim bo Wrote: Yeah, what kind of paint you into a corner question is this? There are plenty of o-linemen that are big and athletic. We just need a better coach and better investment in lineman and stop treating them like they're the least important part of the team.

(12-28-2017, 11:13 AM)Interceptor Wrote: Maybe sumo wrestlers?

• : of or relating to athletes
• : of or relating to sports, games, or exercises
• : used by athletes : used during or for sports, games, or exercises
  

(12-28-2017, 01:59 PM)grampahol Wrote: The word athletic is intentionally entirely too vague. Let's define athletic for a moment..
Definition of athletic for English Language Learners

• : of or relating to athletes
• : of or relating to sports, games, or exercises
• : used by athletes : used during or for sports, games, or exercises
  

Well! That's a big help. This pretty much describes everyone who ever even so much as played backyard kick ball..or just stood around watching other people play. It really doesn't help in defining a good, solid NFL offensive lineman though now does it? 

• Of considerable size, extent or intensity
• Of considerable importance, or seriousness
  

(12-28-2017, 10:28 AM)Wyche Wrote: You want Nasty Nate Livings?  Is that you Piano Man?

Seriously though, if I was building a line, I would want big with an attitude of a grizzly bear if I'm stocking an oline.  You do need some athleticism to be able to handle the speed edge rushers in today's game, but give me a Butterbean with the footwork of Sugar Ray Leonard at OT....and a buncha bar room brawlers in the middle.

(12-28-2017, 02:01 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: Definition of Big:

• Of considerable size, extent or intensity
• Of considerable importance, or seriousness
  

I guess we better go with Big

(12-28-2017, 10:57 AM)Bengalsrob Wrote: Yeh, Incognito...when the Bills acquired him, I wanted him badly, but one certain guy who used to be here and knew everything said we absolutely didn't want him, all because he sent some 300 pound wuss of a team mate to the showers by bullying him?? Now, the other guy is long out of the league, and Incognito is all-pro. Meanwhile, back to the question, I think you can have both, big AND athletic. Bengals have an amazing ability to find some of the biggest non-athletes I've ever seen, not the least of the big loser who was "coached up " by us and signed a big contract with the Cowboys and hasn't been heard from again. The first thing we need is a real line coach who can get the best out of what we have already who can spot talent and add it via the draft to build for the future. An example of big and athletic besides Incognito would be that Moses kid on the Redskins who can scare defenders by just standing in front of them, but can also pull. I really think we can have both.

(12-28-2017, 01:47 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: Haha, wasn't intending to paint anyone into any corners.

Obviously there is a spectrum of Big/Athletic and all Lineman are both to some degree.

I guess a better question would be, if you were running the Bengals, and on draft day there are 2 1st round quality lineman on the board, which do you take? One is bigger but a little less athletic, the other is smaller but has shown better movement.... which do you prefer?

I think BECAUSE our coaching is crummy, I would go with big... at least they are harder to push back into the QB...

Which do you like more? Ogb (Athletic) or Andre Smith (Big)... Clearly both 'Big' and 'Athletic' can be bad at their jobs lol

(12-28-2017, 02:56 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I like either Conner Williams OT Texas or Quentin Nelson OG Notre Dame with our first pick, Billy Price OC OSU next...

As Hammerstripes mentioned on the first page. Also like McGlinchey if we are going OT.

Nice seeing Boling do okay at LT his first time playing there but i don't know if he is the answer.

(12-28-2017, 01:48 PM)PV Bengal Wrote: Like in the movie "The Replacements"?

(12-28-2017, 03:44 PM)Interceptor Wrote: Yes! But did you ever see the hand technique and footwork in sumo wrestling?

(12-28-2017, 03:53 PM)Wyche Wrote: Dilly! Dilly!

(12-28-2017, 03:16 PM)Synric Wrote: I'm leaning more toward Frank Ragnow Center Arkansas.

 https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/college-football-2016-pff-college-award-winners

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/2017-pff-all-american-team

Couple good reads. 

(12-28-2017, 02:12 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I think we have those guys already on the team. Redmond and Westerman. I have an idea brewing in my head right at the moment, permantly moving Boling to LT and Redmond or Westerman to LG ... I think with an offseason of Boling working at LT he could be pretty good.  Pretty much the only thing bad I could I say about last week, was he gave up to much ground on the sack he allowed. He back peddled almost into Andy

(12-28-2017, 02:12 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I think we have those guys already on the team. Redmond and Westerman. I have an idea brewing in my head right at the moment, permantly moving Boling to LT and Redmond or Westerman to LG ... I think with an offseason of Boling working at LT he could be pretty good.  Pretty much the only thing bad I could I say about last week, was he gave up to much ground on the sack he allowed. He back peddled almost into Andy

(12-28-2017, 09:30 PM)bonesaw Wrote: I think Westerman played a lot of center in college.  Still wondering why we've never seen him practice there

(12-28-2017, 09:39 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: He started 25 games at ASU.
All at LG. 

I think people are too caught up in big vs athletic. 

Big doesn't mean not athletic and athletic doesn't mean small. 

Big guys who aren't athletes will likely struggle. 
Athletic guys who don't play big will likely struggle. 

It's about finding the balance. 
It's too early to tell right now because we are likely to see a new coach and a new system. 
That will dictate much of what we do. Personally, I'd like to get some guys who can move and get the second level blocks in so we can run more gun and maximize Gio and Mixon 

(12-28-2017, 09:30 PM)bonesaw Wrote: I think Westerman played a lot of center in college.  Still wondering why we've never seen him practice there