(01-01-2018, 11:36 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Don't do it....Don't look at today's final result and think:  "He's actually pretty good".  They blew a 14 point lead.  They gave up another ridiculous TD with 10 seconds left in the half.  They sat talent that is clearly 1000 times better than the crap they were rolling out there.  He still has a feud with Ross.  He is way to conservative.  He doesn't know how to get a team up for a big game.  

I love him for what he did, but his time was over after the SD game.  Would love it if he moved to the front office, but he should no longer be our head coach. 

(01-01-2018, 12:07 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: Per enquirer:

Bengals and Marv will take a few days to decide on the future.

Wonderful, sit and twiddle our thumbs while every decent candidate gets hired. Bungle-rific.

Might as well just keep the f***er now

(01-01-2018, 05:44 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: No.

He still sat Westerman and Redmond all season until injuries forced his hand.

Same with Dennard and Jackson at CB.

At least Lawson literally forced his way onto the field by performing so insanely well in the extremely limited snaps he was given early in the year.

I'm sick and tired of veterans trumping younger, more talented players and I'm sick of this mentality that once you get a starting job you basically can't lose it. That's the only reason Bodine is still the starter at center. I guarantee you Westerman would make a better center for us.

That's a loser's and an idiot's mentality and that has nothing to do with Mike Brown.

Lewis is a bad coach who can't put the best players on the field in a position to succeed. He needs to go.

Lewis being gone will allow a new person to come in and see this roster with fresh eyes rather than the biases that come along with drafting and "developing" the players the way Lewis saw fit.

(01-01-2018, 11:55 AM)Pat5775 Wrote: Per schefter:

Paul Guenther is leading candidate to become Jon Gruden's DC in Oakland (yes, you read that right. Jon Gruden/Oakland) OR a strong candidate to replace Marv as HC if Marv does move on

(01-01-2018, 12:15 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Best thing about Marin leaving is we won't have to hear the "Marvin won't play rookies nonsense anymore. Dennard has been kept off the field pretty much due to injuries. Jackson struggled in zone, which we play a lot, and it wasn't just Lawson out there, Malone has played, Mixon has played, rookies have always played when they are ready and can out perform the starters. The reason it takes so long for Corners to get on the field, is we have good corners in front of them. Redmond and Westerman were not going to supplant Boling, it took finally getting CO out of there and moving Boling to tackle to open the left guard spot.

(01-01-2018, 12:31 PM)samhain Wrote: I agree with some of this as far as injuries are concerned.  Not sure I agree about better corners being in front of Darqueze and WJ3.  Pacman, god love him, has been dropping off for the last 2 seasons.  Kirkpatrick has been flat out awful for most of the season.  Like difficult to believe awful.  

As to finally getting CO out of there, why should it take so long?  He played almost 2 full seasons at a pretty low to rock-bottom level and still never got pulled.  He's an absolute non-contributor in the run game.  Hell, I heard Alexander on the pregame yesterday yammering on about how he still believed in Ogbuehi, Fisher being our best OL, and the young guards only looking good b/c they were fresh and other guys were tired.  For Christ's sake, man!  On top of that, there's Hopkins who grades out as one of if not THE worst starting OG in the NFL.  If nothing else, they could have sat him for Redmond or CW.

The biggest failing of this team in 2017 wasn't losing Z or Whit (although that was a big one), drafting Ross, or even maintaining a lame-duck coach at the top of the staff.  It was an all-out failure to realize how best to utilize what they had and maximize wins with it.  They flushed a season down the toilet because they had a shit understanding of the players (and coaches in Zampese's case) that they're around every day and run a hierarchal locker room rather than a merit-based depth chart.

(01-01-2018, 12:31 PM)samhain Wrote: I agree with some of this as far as injuries are concerned.  Not sure I agree about better corners being in front of Darqueze and WJ3.  Pacman, god love him, has been dropping off for the last 2 seasons.  Kirkpatrick has been flat out awful for most of the season.  Like difficult to believe awful.  

As to finally getting CO out of there, why should it take so long?  He played almost 2 full seasons at a pretty low to rock-bottom level and still never got pulled.  He's an absolute non-contributor in the run game.  Hell, I heard Alexander on the pregame yesterday yammering on about how he still believed in Ogbuehi, Fisher being our best OL, and the young guards only looking good b/c they were fresh and other guys were tired.  For Christ's sake, man!  On top of that, there's Hopkins who grades out as one of if not THE worst starting OG in the NFL.  If nothing else, they could have sat him for Redmond or CW.

The biggest failing of this team in 2017 wasn't losing Z or Whit (although that was a big one), drafting Ross, or even maintaining a lame-duck coach at the top of the staff.  It was an all-out failure to realize how best to utilize what they had and maximize wins with it.  They flushed a season down the toilet because they had a shit understanding of the players (and coaches in Zampese's case) that they're around every day and run a hierarchal locker room rather than a merit-based depth chart.

(01-01-2018, 12:44 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I totally agree about CO, but as far as I can tell we did not have a LT to replace him..... and you're right, Pac is falling off, but that does not negate the fact Jackson, while brilliant in man coverage, struggled with zone concepts here for awhile, and was making huge mistakes. That is what kept him off the field. 

(01-01-2018, 12:44 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I totally agree about CO, but as far as I can tell we did not have a LT to replace him..... and you're right, Pac is falling off, but that does not negate the fact Jackson, while brilliant in man coverage, struggled with zone concepts here for awhile, and was making huge mistakes. That is what kept him off the field. 

(01-01-2018, 11:48 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I think one of those fancy poll questions threads should be:

Would you prefer:

A. Retain Marvin and fire all position coaches

B. Fire Marvin and retain all position coaches

(01-01-2018, 01:06 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Marvin has had how many OC's, DC's, etc since he has been here, and has not won a playoff game. HE is the common denominator....

(01-01-2018, 12:15 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Best thing about Marin leaving is we won't have to hear the "Marvin won't play rookies nonsense anymore. Dennard has been kept off the field pretty much due to injuries. Jackson struggled in zone, which we play a lot, and it wasn't just Lawson out there, Malone has played, Willis has played, Mixon has played, rookies have always played when they are ready and can out perform the starters. The reason it takes so long for Corners to get on the field, is we have good corners in front of them. Redmond and Westerman were not going to supplant Boling, it took finally getting CO out of there and moving Boling to tackle to open the left guard spot.

(01-01-2018, 01:13 PM)Benton Wrote: Full control of what?

He's the one in charge of who plays, what schemes we run, etc. And he has at least some say in who we draft and what free agents we sign. He's had no success with the amount of control he has, I don't see where giving him more would be a good thing.

What would more control give him? Maybe signing a different free agent or a different draft pick. I don't think that would've re-written any of our playoff losses.