(01-12-2018, 01:19 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I think "Bear" is a better nickname given his emphasis on mauling in the run game. No?

(01-12-2018, 01:23 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Maybe the man will simply earn our respect enough from his coaching skills that we won't feel the need to give him some cheesy nickname?

(01-12-2018, 02:02 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Yes!

Here’s why:  Both Russell Bodine and Cedric Ogbuehi were terrific in college.  For that matter, so was Jake Fisher.  With rare exception, people on this board were highly enthusiastic about the Bengals drafting these men.  Look on YouTube and see for yourselves; I think looking back to when these players were coached with good technique is highly illustrative.

(01-12-2018, 02:18 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I don't recall either being "terrific"? Bodine was "just" good in college but not elite whereas Ogbuehi was only good at RG in college IIRC.

(01-12-2018, 11:34 AM)Big Boss Wrote: What do we think?  Will a change in technique and coaching philosophy work wonders with these two, or are they simply lost causes at this point?

(01-12-2018, 02:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Living in NC, I had the opportunity to watch a lot more of Bodine's games than I ordinarily might have, simply by default of it being on local TV.  Now, I can't tell you weather or not he was just the product of a good college OL coach, but that guy had a lot of drive coming off the ball.  I was actually excited when we took him, as I had actually watched him play several games, and was comfortable with what the Bengals were getting.

(01-12-2018, 03:18 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm curious to know how good/big the DTs were that Bodine went up against? From what I remember, Clemson wasn't as good back then as they are now, and the really only good school in the ACC at the time was Florida St, right? I wonder if perhaps Bodine just went up against smaller DTs that weren't physically able to put him on his butt often like so many NFL DTs seem to be able to do.

(01-12-2018, 03:35 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: A quick look on NFL.com shows at least 6 active DTs from the ACC that would have been in school the same time as Bodine.

Jay Bromley  Syracuse
Aaron Donald  Pittsburgh
Grady Jarrett   Clemson
Tim Jernigan   FSU
Olsen Pierre   Miami
DJ Reader    Clemson

There may be more, those are just the ones I felt certain of.  Now, I didn't research to check 'Carolina's non-conference or bowl opponents, just a quick "let's see".

(01-12-2018, 03:57 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Thanks for checking on that. Obviously Donald, Jarrett, and Jernigan are NFL quality players. I'll probably have to go check into like each game and see how Bodine did specifically, but it's likely I'll find he was better in college than I was giving him credit for.

But I'll reiterate what I said earlier...since he's a FA now, I still wouldn't look to bring him back because that likely would mean not drafting a C that I think could still easily be better than him.  Another Bodine contract is not a gamble I'd personally take.

(01-12-2018, 02:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Living in NC, I had the opportunity to watch a lot more of Bodine's games than I ordinarily might have, simply by default of it being on local TV.  Now, I can't tell you weather or not he was just the product of a good college OL coach, but that guy had a lot of drive coming off the ball.  I was actually excited when we took him, as I had actually watched him play several games, and was comfortable with what the Bengals were getting.

(01-12-2018, 04:09 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, i was excited about getting Bodine at the time. He was a mauler at NC and thought he would be an upgrade
over what we had, he was solid but had little upside but an immediate upgrade. He wasn't terrible his rookie season
but i thought he would of grown more than he has to say the least.

Just another example of PA taking a good run blocking college Center and doing nothing with him.

Might of became a worse run blocker in the NFL, similar to Zeitler who was a good run blocker in college.

With Pollack, he is the exact opposite of PA, great run blocking coach that also teaches good technique in pass pro.

(01-12-2018, 04:19 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Which is exactly what this line has been lacking for a while, some serious aggression.  You can take a aggressive, run blocking monster and teach him Pass blocking technique.  But, you really can't really take a passive, technician type of pass blocker and get him to be mean in the run game. 

Seems like we might have had a couple of nasty guys hangin' on, buried at the bottom of the depth chart in Westerman and Redmond.  Perhaps the cupboard isn't quite as bare, as it would appear at first glance, for Pollack to work with?

(01-12-2018, 12:44 PM)Au165 Wrote: I'll trust the coach. If he watches film and thinks they can be saved I'll go with it. The guy has coached some of the best lineman in the league over the last 5 years so I am sure he knows what does and doesn't 6work.

(01-12-2018, 04:09 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm not suggesting that they give Bodine a nice contract, either.  The question asked by the OP was did anyone think that Bodine or Ogbuehi were salvageable.  I don't feel like Bodine could ever be a "top 5 at his position" type of player, but I do think that with some good coaching and utilizing him better to his strengths could at least move him from bottom of the barrel to "average" at his position.

Now, with the FA group being particularly lean at Center, I would expect the Bengals to at least offer him a "modest" contract, and draft his long term replacement.  I don't know, it's kind of a tough call, as we really don't know what Marvin, Lazor, and now Pollack even think of him.

(01-12-2018, 05:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: It's less about the "size" of the contract and more about taking up a roster spot. If the Bengals re-sign Bodine, they better cut TJ Johnson. And Bodine better not make more than $4 mill a year. If he does, that's being overpaid IMO.

Personally, I keep TJ Johnson at $1.85 mill, let Bodine walk, draft a C, and let the new C and TJ Johnson compete for starter reps.