(03-05-2018, 06:10 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Aww yeah the double edge sword of using past transgressions in a way that doesn’t fit a narrative. Because the bengals haven’t won a playoff game in almost 3 decades, doesn’t mean they can’t or won’t. But using that arguememt against them but with a different team....

(03-05-2018, 07:49 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: I just remember when the Brownies got Richardson and how the were going to be on the uptick.

Just not convinced they have a clue...  and also have as bad if not worse luck than the Bengals.

Which is worse?

A team who tries everything to succeed and fails miserably no matter what?

or

A team who thinks they know what they're doing but flounder in mediocrity?

I would think a mediocre ran team might have a greater chance to luck out, as opposed to a team that flips the switch in all nuances.

My vote is Bengals.

(03-05-2018, 05:41 PM)Wyche Wrote: Where ya been?  I already caught hell for saying the Brownies were potentially closer.

(03-05-2018, 07:49 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Which is worse?

A team who tries everything to succeed and fails miserably no matter what?

or

A team who thinks they know what they're doing but flounder in mediocrity?

I would think a mediocre ran team might have a greater chance to luck out, as opposed to a team that flips the switch in all nuances.

(03-05-2018, 09:06 PM)Nately120 Wrote: My perception of the Bengals is different than yours.  I agree that putting faith in the Browns is clearly a fool's errand until massive evidence to the contrary surfaces, but I also think you give Mike Brown too much credit.  

(03-05-2018, 05:41 PM)Wyche Wrote: Where ya been?  I already caught hell for saying the Brownies were potentially closer.

All it really takes is consistent play at QB

They have a TON of cap space.....could potentially get a stop gap vet QB in FA, AND draft the future.

Get Barkley.

You have Josh Gordon.

They added Dorsey, a bonafide GM with a rather impressive track record.

They added Todd Haley as OC.

Gregg Williams is a well respected DC, and took the defense from 31st to 14th overall in one season.

They went into TOTAL REBUILD mode, and now have the cash and draft picks to right the ship if they make the right moves.

The team was almost completely devoid of talent, but it still played hard, and never quit on the coaches.




The Bengals:


Have Mike Brown.

Have Merv...........AGAIN.

The team IS overall more talented, but where it has holes, it's about as bad as the Brownies.

The team looked lifeless for several weeks.

The hope here is that Lazor, Austin, and Pollack can right the ship on their own, because we can pretty much expect that FA will be the usual dumpster dive for the turd of your choice (most likely a steroid-less Brian Cushing....yay).  They will retain Blodine, and at least Fish....if not Ogbuehi as well.

I DO think all of those coaches are better than their predecessors.  Zampese was putrid, Alexander was washed up and too stubborn to adjust, and Guenther just seemed to have gotten soft.....although I did like when he decided to hold underperforming vets accountable, only to have Merv step on his junk in the media.

In the end, the Browns are trying to evolve, while the Bengals are rolling status quo.  All things considered, RIGHT NOW, I think the Bengals are closer, but come back to me after the draft and/or FA.  If the Brownies get themselves a QB and a couple other nice pieces, I'm changing that.

(03-05-2018, 06:10 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Aww yeah the double edge sword of using past transgressions in a way that doesn’t fit a narrative. Because the bengals haven’t won a playoff game in almost 3 decades, doesn’t mean they can’t or won’t. But using that arguememt against them but with a different team....

(03-06-2018, 12:13 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Well there's a very good chance that Cleveland is going to sign AJM. He got us closer to a playoff win since Boomer Esiason. Perhaps folks shouldn't be saying it depends on what QB Cleveland signs

(03-06-2018, 10:09 AM)Wyche Wrote: Not following your logic.  I said they were closer as of right now.  I said IF the Browns play their cards right, they could move ahead in that category.

What makes you think the Merv and Mike Show is any closer now that they have a less talented team?

(03-06-2018, 10:09 AM)Wyche Wrote: Not following your logic.  I said they were closer as of right now.  I said IF the Browns play their cards right, they could move ahead in that category.

What makes you think the Merv and Mike Show is any closer now that they have a less talented team?

(03-06-2018, 11:32 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: I was meaning whenever someone says Marv won't/can't win a playoff game, we get the "just because it hasn't happened don't mean it never will", which I agree with, but once you use that same argument with the Browns, you get blasted. Just because they've won 1 game the past two years doesn't mean they'll win 1 game or not win/go to the playoffs next year or after. 

(03-06-2018, 11:53 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The Browns are 1-31 under Hue. Even if they add some nice pieces and FINALLY find a QB they’re not even close to making the playoffs.