(05-01-2018, 12:40 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Marvin is still HC.
Mike is still Owner.
Mike/Katie are still GM.

Why would the draft change the view I have built from 15-27 years of experiencing them running this team?

(04-30-2018, 04:16 PM)bengals67 Wrote: What are your views on Bengal management post draft?

I have been down on them since the Steeler playoff loss in 2015 and the refusal to immediately fire Marvin.

Last year's inaction on o line caused a debacle that was easily predicted with Piano man as o line coach, Bodine at center and Og at left tackle.

So to me, 2016 and 2017 were predictable completely wasted years.

I think this year they made great moves getting the LT and LB from Buffalo and drafting the best players for need.

I think our roster is way better today than it was a year ago assuming Fisher can step up at RT and with Pollack as o-line coach.

So  but for the continuing retention of Marv I am back on board.

If we have another year like last year Marv needs to go.

He Should have been fired several times already .

Even  though he has a two year contract, from a fairness perspective his long term of service entitles him to a one year severance so firing him with a year to go on contract should be an acceptable option.

I do not see how they can sell him to season ticket holders and fans or even players for another year with a 7-9 record or less than that in 2018.

(04-30-2018, 06:15 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: I was down for marvin leaving after last season as well.

I cant blame everything on him though    Something has definitely changed in the front office. 

(05-01-2018, 04:46 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I agree, they really are doing things differently than before.  Big shakeup in the coaching dept., being quite active in free agency, filling needs through trades and acquisitions to free up the draft a bit, making smart fundamental draft choices to improve the overall roster quality.  I get a positive feeling whenever I watch and listen to any of the newer coaches speak.  

I dare say that I have some optimism growing.  Whatever was argued/hashed out in the front office this offseason?  I don't care the details, I'm just pleased to see the new direction going forward.

(05-01-2018, 05:05 PM)Wyche Wrote: This is where I am.  Is there more work to be done?  You betcha.  Should Marv be gone?  I think so.  That said, this has not been a status quo offseason.  Of that, I am a bit optimistic and impressed.

(05-01-2018, 03:22 PM)Nati#1 Wrote: I think they did a terrible job in this years draft. Price will start, but everybody else looks like a back up or off the team in 3+ years.

(05-01-2018, 04:46 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I agree, they really are doing things differently than before.  Big shakeup in the coaching dept., being quite active in free agency, filling needs through trades and acquisitions to free up the draft a bit, making smart fundamental draft choices to improve the overall roster quality.  I get a positive feeling whenever I watch and listen to any of the newer coaches speak.  

I dare say that I have some optimism growing.  Whatever was argued/hashed out in the front office this offseason?  I don't care the details, I'm just pleased to see the new direction going forward.

(05-01-2018, 06:39 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Most of this optimism is just the annual post-draft orange Kool-Aid that gets pumped through your veins rather than looking at reality. Lol... it happens every year like clockwork.

(05-01-2018, 06:39 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I mean, but are they really?


Big Shakeup:
-Bengals had that in the '13-'14 offseason.

Free Agency:
-They signed one good player to a 1 year deal. They also added a crappy QB who might not make the roster, a crappy OT who might be one of the few OL worse than Ogbuehi, and a mediocre DT (who's last team hated him) who might not make the roster. That was their entire exterior FA this year as far as I can recall.

Filling Need Through Trade:
-Yup, this one is true. That said, it sure would be nice if they didn't run things so poorly by lowballing Whit (Whit's own words) and rolling with Ogbuehi, which went the way everyone could have predicted it would have. Whit to the Pro Bowl/1st Team All-Pro/Playoffs, Ogbuehi continuing to show he's one of the worst OL in the league. Glenn is good, but still not Whit good. So all they did here was partially make up for their mistake after wasting a season and still coming out behind talent-wise.

Draft:
-We'll see. We probably won't know how this will work out until the end of the '19 season, unless they either don't make the roster, or immediately turn out to be Ogbuehi-bad, or Green-good.



Most of this optimism is just the annual post-draft orange Kool-Aid that gets pumped through your veins rather than looking at reality. Lol... it happens every year like clockwork.

(05-01-2018, 06:39 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I mean, but are they really?


Big Shakeup:
-Bengals had that in the '13-'14 offseason.

Free Agency:
-They signed one good player to a 1 year deal. They also added a crappy QB who might not make the roster, a crappy OT who might be one of the few OL worse than Ogbuehi, and a mediocre DT (who's last team hated him) who might not make the roster. That was their entire exterior FA this year as far as I can recall.

Filling Need Through Trade:
-Yup, this one is true. That said, it sure would be nice if they didn't run things so poorly by lowballing Whit (Whit's own words) and rolling with Ogbuehi, which went the way everyone could have predicted it would have. Whit to the Pro Bowl/1st Team All-Pro/Playoffs, Ogbuehi continuing to show he's one of the worst OL in the league. Glenn is good, but still not Whit good. So all they did here was partially make up for their mistake after wasting a season and still coming out behind talent-wise.

Draft:
-We'll see. We probably won't know how this will work out until the end of the '19 season, unless they either don't make the roster, or immediately turn out to be Ogbuehi-bad, or Green-good.



Most of this optimism is just the annual post-draft orange Kool-Aid that gets pumped through your veins rather than looking at reality. Lol... it happens every year like clockwork.

(05-01-2018, 06:59 PM)Wyche Wrote: I agree with a lot of what you're saying......but axing Alexander was a HUGE move by Mike Brown standards.  With the Pollack hire, we've moved from a passive approach to an aggressive alpha type coaching the line.  Will it pay off?  Time will tell, but I think it will be a fruitful change.

FA?  Signing the NFL's leading tackler is WAY out of the Bengals' box....even if it is a one year deal.

Compared to most teams, yeah, it's kinda meager.  Compared to Bengals' past....these are pretty nice moves.

(04-30-2018, 04:16 PM)bengals67 Wrote: What are your views on Bengal management post draft?

I have been down on them since the Steeler playoff loss in 2015 and the refusal to immediately fire Marvin.

Last year's inaction on o line caused a debacle that was easily predicted with Piano man as o line coach, Bodine at center and Og at left tackle.

So to me, 2016 and 2017 were predictable completely wasted years.

I think this year they made great moves getting the LT and LB from Buffalo and drafting the best players for need.

I think our roster is way better today than it was a year ago assuming Fisher can step up at RT and with Pollack as o-line coach.

So  but for the continuing retention of Marv I am back on board.

If we have another year like last year Marv needs to go.

He Should have been fired several times already .

Even  though he has a two year contract, from a fairness perspective his long term of service entitles him to a one year severance so firing him with a year to go on contract should be an acceptable option.

I do not see how they can sell him to season ticket holders and fans or even players for another year with a 7-9 record or less than that in 2018.

(05-01-2018, 08:32 AM)Daddy-O Wrote: Signing a 3rd or 4th round tackle does nothing to stabilize the line if there is an injury.  They are not going to step in and be productive in their first year - just doesn't happen for mid to late round O lineman.  The Bengals appear to be in win mode now and will find some experience for depth in September.  I'd rather take a cast off with experience than a rookie for a few games on the O line.

(05-01-2018, 06:59 PM)Wyche Wrote: I agree with a lot of what you're saying......but axing Alexander was a HUGE move by Mike Brown standards.  With the Pollack hire, we've moved from a passive approach to an aggressive alpha type coaching the line.  Will it pay off?  Time will tell, but I think it will be a fruitful change.

FA?  Signing the NFL's leading tackler is WAY out of the Bengals' box....even if it is a one year deal.

Compared to most teams, yeah, it's kinda meager.  Compared to Bengals' past....these are pretty nice moves.

(05-01-2018, 06:39 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I mean, but are they really?


Big Shakeup:
-Bengals had that in the '13-'14 offseason.

Free Agency:
-They signed one good player to a 1 year deal. They also added a crappy QB who might not make the roster, a crappy OT who might be one of the few OL worse than Ogbuehi, and a mediocre DT (who's last team hated him) who might not make the roster. That was their entire exterior FA this year as far as I can recall.

Filling Need Through Trade:
-Yup, this one is true. That said, it sure would be nice if they didn't run things so poorly by lowballing Whit (Whit's own words) and rolling with Ogbuehi, which went the way everyone could have predicted it would have. Whit to the Pro Bowl/1st Team All-Pro/Playoffs, Ogbuehi continuing to show he's one of the worst OL in the league. Glenn is good, but still not Whit good. So all they did here was partially make up for their mistake after wasting a season and still coming out behind talent-wise.

Draft:
-We'll see. We probably won't know how this will work out until the end of the '19 season, unless they either don't make the roster, or immediately turn out to be Ogbuehi-bad, or Green-good.



Most of this optimism is just the annual post-draft orange Kool-Aid that gets pumped through your veins rather than looking at reality. Lol... it happens every year like clockwork.

(05-01-2018, 06:59 PM)Wyche Wrote: I agree with a lot of what you're saying......but axing Alexander was a HUGE move by Mike Brown standards.  With the Pollack hire, we've moved from a passive approach to an aggressive alpha type coaching the line.  Will it pay off?  Time will tell, but I think it will be a fruitful change.

FA?  Signing the NFL's leading tackler is WAY out of the Bengals' box....even if it is a one year deal.

Compared to most teams, yeah, it's kinda meager.  Compared to Bengals' past....these are pretty nice moves.

(04-30-2018, 04:16 PM)bengals67 Wrote: What are your views on Bengal management post draft?

I have been down on them since the Steeler playoff loss in 2015 and the refusal to immediately fire Marvin.

Last year's inaction on o line caused a debacle that was easily predicted with Piano man as o line coach, Bodine at center and Og at left tackle.

So to me, 2016 and 2017 were predictable completely wasted years.

I think this year they made great moves getting the LT and LB from Buffalo and drafting the best players for need.

I think our roster is way better today than it was a year ago assuming Fisher can step up at RT and with Pollack as o-line coach.

So  but for the continuing retention of Marv I am back on board.

If we have another year like last year Marv needs to go.

He Should have been fired several times already .

Even  though he has a two year contract, from a fairness perspective his long term of service entitles him to a one year severance so firing him with a year to go on contract should be an acceptable option.

I do not see how they can sell him to season ticket holders and fans or even players for another year with a 7-9 record or less than that in 2018.