(05-08-2018, 08:16 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: It isn't much, but I like to hear this....

From Bengals.com:


New offensive coordinator Bill Lazor has been calling for more aggression and he's getting it. Wide receiver Brandon LaFell noted Monday they no longer want those, 10-12 play drives to be the norm.

“It’s more attack. Stretching it down the field,” LaFell said. “We’re trying to attack quick and get in the end zone and get on the sideline."

I think that is how we played in 2005 and 2015.  More attacking style.

(05-09-2018, 08:44 AM)fredtoast Wrote: 1.  EVERY team tries to score every time they get the ball.

2.  EVERY team plays more conservative with a big lead in the second half.  Even the Patriots.  If yiou don't believe me just look at when they played the Browns two years ago.  23-7 lead at halftime.  Played it safe the second half to seal 33-13 win.

(05-09-2018, 10:12 AM)BengalChris Wrote: There is a place for 10-12 play drives, but to have that be our norm is koo-koo. It gives the defense that many chances to stop you.

Stretching the field and scoring quickly will open up things so that when we need a 12 play, 7 minute drive to close our a game the defense will have to play it more straight up and if they don't you just push it down field anyways and score.

I like it. I didn't know the team was shooting for 10-12 play drives as the norm. Of course, that approach sounds like Marvin Lewis.

(05-09-2018, 11:27 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: control the ball

Controll the clock

win the game

(05-08-2018, 10:55 AM)fredtoast Wrote: A good offense is about balance.  The yin and the yang.

You want to open up your run game?  Hit enough shots down the field so that the safety can't just sit on the line of scrimmage.

You want to help your pass game?  Have a good enough run game so that the safeties can't just play deep cover.

You don't have to be great at both, but if you are too weak at one then it will hurt the other.

(05-09-2018, 01:48 AM)cinci4life Wrote: He had an offensive line that year that could actually block and give him time to throw. 

(05-09-2018, 11:11 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Wrong.  How ironic you gave a single example 

(05-08-2018, 08:16 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: It isn't much, but I like to hear this....

From Bengals.com:


New offensive coordinator Bill Lazor has been calling for more aggression and he's getting it. Wide receiver Brandon LaFell noted Monday they no longer want those, 10-12 play drives to be the norm.

“It’s more attack. Stretching it down the field,” LaFell said. “We’re trying to attack quick and get in the end zone and get on the sideline."

I think that is how we played in 2005 and 2015.  More attacking style.

(05-08-2018, 11:26 AM)sandwedge Wrote: Not to mention, you can shorten the field! 

(05-08-2018, 10:49 AM)fredtoast Wrote: He said "attack quick" but I don't know if that means "up tempo".  It could just mean taking more deep shots down the field, i.e. "quick strike offense".

I have some concerns because taking deeper shots means needing longer pass protection.

I am for whatever works.  Some people claim they hate the "dink and dunk" offense, but I really don't care what works.  It is not like the short controlled passing game is so simple that any team can just march down the field and score all the time.  It is still difficult to execute really well.  It takes skill and precision.

(05-09-2018, 10:12 AM)BengalChris Wrote: There is a place for 10-12 play drives, but to have that be our norm is koo-koo. It gives the defense that many chances to stop you.

Stretching the field and scoring quickly will open up things so that when we need a 12 play, 7 minute drive to close our a game the defense will have to play it more straight up and if they don't you just push it down field anyways and score.

I like it. I didn't know the team was shooting for 10-12 play drives as the norm. Of course, that approach sounds like Marvin Lewis.

(05-09-2018, 08:26 PM)3wt Wrote: That is part of the design of the West Coast Offense.   It is a ball control offense.  The obvious risk as you point out is that it gives the defense more chances to stop you.  But its success is predicated on a high volume of high percentage plays.   There guys out there now (don't ask me who cuz I heard it on a podcast and didn't write it down) who talk about the stronger likelihood of getting first downs by running the ball on 2nd and 3rd down more often - but again, high percentage plays.   The long ball is an awesome tool - if you're good at it.  And it is typically a low percentage play.  So the risk of using it more often is that you end up with more 3 and outs and your defense gets gassed really quickly.

So it really is not a Marvin thing.  It really had been our MO since Gruden was the OC.

Lazor seems really bright.   Hopefully he doesn't swing the pendulum too far the other way.   I'm not sure our O line is up to the task.

(05-09-2018, 08:32 PM)BengalChris Wrote: I think the Bengals somehow weren't seeing those "high percentage" plays. We did seem to see quite a number runs for -1 to 3 yards on first down though. Appeared very predictable.

I understand controlling the clock and having long drives to wear down the other team and keep your defense fresh. But to do that on every drive lets the defense know exactly what to expect. And from a team that couldn't open up any running lanes or pass block it just seemed ugly and it was ugly.

(05-10-2018, 02:08 PM)3wt Wrote: It was indeed ugly.  The only thing that seemed to make a difference was changing the blocking scheme at the end of the year, which better suited our players.  And there's no guarantee that opposing teams will not make a quick adjustment to that right out of the gate.

When you let your two best offensive linemen slip away and make a colossal error in assessing your two top drafted replacements - and that on the heels of letting your # 2 receiver walk the year before (I realize he wanted to be the man, but he's not the man in Detroit, and you just make an offer the guy can't refuse), you're going to go down the poop chute like greased lightning.

That's what we did and that's what happened.  

There's no offensive scheme that will survive that.  And it will take more than 1 year of better management to reverse the losses, which is why (I believe) Lewis was signed for 2 years.

(05-11-2018, 09:50 AM)BengalChris Wrote: Just blame Mike Brown, that's what I do.

(05-11-2018, 09:50 AM)BengalChris Wrote: Just blame Mike Brown, that's what I do.