(07-02-2018, 04:34 PM)3wt Wrote: Though I really like Pollack and hope that he can pull a rabbit out of the hat, I certainly do not expect Og to suddenly change into a really good OT.

I just think Alexander was so blown away by his athletic abilities that he filed his questionable traits under the category of "played the spread in college, just needs me to coach him up".  

A player can say anything to convince you they're going to be good.  But I liked the Forest Gregg and Tim Krumrie approach to assessment.  Get into it with the player and if they put you on your butt you draft them.

(07-02-2018, 04:33 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Coach Pollack can teach Ogbuehi all the right dance steps, but there are a couple of things that just can't be coached.  Things like aggression and urge to dominate one's opponent.  I got nothing personal against the guy, he seems like a fine physical specimen.  He just doesn't seem to have that inherent toughness associated with Offensive Linemen.

(07-02-2018, 05:25 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Agree,

I remember listening to Dave Lapham during a game broadcast a couple seasons ago on the radio coming home from somewhere saying words to the effect of "when is Ogbuehi going to come out for the next play and say you're not beating me this time" ?

That's the missing part of his game.

(07-02-2018, 10:08 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Hobspin article on the mother ship touting Ogbuehi's possibility of turning it around under Pollack.

I'm not at practice, I'm not in the locker room, I'll give ya that. But to me it really seems the guys heart just truly isn't in the game. It's not his passion. He gives up on plays at the drop of a hat !

I get the great athlete and ability stuff but if he's not really "in it". You can't fix him. I hope they're right and Ced O. turns it around but I just highly doubt it.

https://www.bengals.com/news/hobson-s-choice-change-of-scenery

But, if Pollack could get that fire into him, damn would that be an accomplishment.

(07-02-2018, 06:03 PM)TSwigZ Wrote: I’ll root for him as long as he’s here but we all know he’s not even a good back up rotational guy he’s just not cut out for the nfl idk if injuries hurt him or if it’s mental either way as bad as it sounds I have given up on him

(07-02-2018, 06:13 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, feel the same. It doesn't matter how talented a player is if he doesn't have that fire in him to be great.

Og clearly doesn't have that fire and to think he just will magically get it just doesn't seem realistic to me.

But, if Pollack could get that fire into him, damn would that be an accomplishment.

(07-02-2018, 06:13 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, feel the same. It doesn't matter how talented a player is if he doesn't have that fire in him to be great.

Og clearly doesn't have that fire and to think he just will magically get it just doesn't seem realistic to me.

But, if Pollack could get that fire into him, damn would that be an accomplishment.

(07-02-2018, 04:44 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I have (way) more hope for Fisher than Ogbuehi because Fisher had that "Finish him!" mentality at Oregon. That should fit well with Pollack's approach.

(07-02-2018, 04:33 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Coach Pollack can teach Ogbuehi all the right dance steps, but there are a couple of things that just can't be coached. Things like aggression and urge to dominate one's opponent. I got nothing personal against the guy, he seems like a fine physical specimen. He just doesn't seem to have that inherent toughness associated with Offensive Linemen.

(07-03-2018, 12:48 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: If Frank Pollak can turn around Ced, then he deserves to be the highest paid assistant coach in the league.

(07-03-2018, 01:52 AM)TKUHL Wrote: He should be Time magazines Man of the Year.

(07-02-2018, 04:44 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I have (way) more hope for Fisher than Ogbuehi because Fisher had that "Finish him!" mentality at Oregon. That should fit well with Pollack's approach.

(07-03-2018, 12:48 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: If Frank Pollak can turn around Ced, then he deserves to be the highest paid assistant coach in the league.

(07-03-2018, 11:49 AM)sandwedge Wrote: I don't know Ocho, watch the National Championship game against Ohio State. Bosa made Fisher his b-itch all game long.....

(07-02-2018, 09:13 PM)Whatever Wrote: Sorry, but I've never seen that killer instinct out of Fisher.  His draft profile reads...

"One of the most penalized tackles in 2015 draft class over last two seasons, including six holding calls during 2014 season. Needs angles to get consistent push in run game. Lacks power. Allows outside hand to get wide in pass pro, opening himself up to bull rush. Catches pass rusher rather than punching. Not much pop in his hands. Inconsistent feet as a run blocker, slowing feet at contact against power. Missed part of 2014 with a leg injury. Needs weight-room work to add more bulk to his frame. Needs to improve his contact balance against power."


Fisher has looked marginally better than Og, but they are cut from the same cloth.  Both are passive finesse T's that played in spread offenses in college.

(07-03-2018, 12:46 PM)ochocincos Wrote: So because Fisher got beat by the eventual #3 overall pick in 2016 who has had 23 sacks in the NFL in just 28 games played, it means he can't become a good NFL OT? Even though the skill in NFL is much better than college, most pass rushers are not of Bosa's caliber.

(07-02-2018, 07:07 PM)sandwedge Wrote: If Pollack can do that, then he is the miracle worker! You could watch play after play and Og's hands were never up to deliver a blow. That is what amazes me, especially a guy who was doing MMA stuff. Unless he liked getting his face bashed in...

(07-03-2018, 01:42 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, it was pretty pathetic. If Pollack can turn this guy around like you said it would be a miracle.