(10-15-2018, 04:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Neither has an all-out blitz.

We lost Sunday because of dropped passes, poor tackling, and no pressure on Ben.  The decision to punt early in the third period was the right call and had nothing to do with our losing.

(10-15-2018, 04:43 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: We lost to those three things...and yet it was a GOOD idea to put the game in the defense's hands by punting on 4th and 1 from opponent's 40 when plays on the opponent's side of the field were few and far between?

Since when is it a good idea to rely on a poor tackling no pressure defense in a close game with division winning stakes on the line?

They did it with the 4th and 1 punt and they did it again when they scored with 1:18 left on the clock with a mere 1 point lead.

(10-15-2018, 04:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote:
Actually that is usually exactly how championships are won.

When was the last time you saw a Super Bowl champion go for it on fourth down in a tie game on the first possession of the second half?

Maybe if you are at the goal line and want to score a statement TD instead of a FG, but in that situation the opposing team is pinned down if you don't make it.

Championship coaches just don't go for it at the forty in that situation.

(10-15-2018, 06:07 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Actually, the Eagles did this quite often in 2017.

There were 9 instances where the Eagles went for it on 4th down in the opponents 40-49 yard line.

The Eagles converted 5 of those 9 plays.

They also went for it on 4th down twice against the Patriots. One of those times being on their own 45 yard line. When they were down by 1 point.

The Eagles went for it on 4th down three times in the playoffs. And converted all three.

Doug Pederson went for it on 4th down 29 times.
13 of those plays came within the 40-40 yard marks on both sides of the field.

Heck, did you watch the game last night with Kansas City?
With 6:41 left in the game, they were down 16-27 and on their own 46. And guess what they did?
Went for it on 4th down.

Sean McVay did the same thing this week. Guess who else goes for it on 4th down quite often? Mike Tomlin and Bill Belichek.
Heck, the only reason the Steelers had a close game against the Jaguars was because they would go for it on 4th down.

(10-15-2018, 04:08 PM)jj22 Wrote: How can it help us win when the game was already lost?

And all we can go by is our 4th down record this season, and I am clearly more confident then you are.

(10-15-2018, 06:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote:
The Eagles would not go for it in the second half of a close game.

Eagles went for it on fourth down 29 times last year, but only 2 times in the second half when there was less than a td difference, and one of those times was in the Super Bowl against the Patriots when they were trailing in the fourth quarter and had to.

(10-15-2018, 05:05 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: Am I the only one that wanted the Bengals to onside kick after they scored the go ahead touchdown with 1:28

(10-15-2018, 02:27 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Tie game.  Defensive playing well.  The reason their is no media backlash is because it was the right decision.  

Mixon had just gotten stuffed on 3rd and 1. If we go for it and fail you all would be crying about how stupid it was to go for it.

(10-15-2018, 08:01 PM)motoarch Wrote: Yes.  Now go sit in the corner and don’t think about things anymore cause it’s making everyone stupider.  Is that even a word?  See I’m now dumber.  Thanks.

(10-15-2018, 07:42 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: When you've only beaten a division team 8 times in your 16th season, you should probably change up your coaching strategy.
I mean, the Bills have a better win percentage against the Patriots than the Bengals against the Steelers in this decade.

(10-15-2018, 10:06 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: Does anyone remember when the falcons went for it against us and Geno got the sack at midfield; which lead to a TD for us? Just because it's an agressive call doesn't mean it was the correct call. Teams are playing with fire by going for it so much at will eventually burn them.

(10-15-2018, 10:16 PM)YsCascadia Wrote: No one blamed the Falcons for going for it.  Not only that but it wasn't 4th and 1.  I think it was 4th and 5.  I would also add that the Falcons aren't our divisional opponent, one that has our number, which means there is more of a reason for us to go for it on 4th and 1 on the verge of FG range. 

As to getting sacked, that could only happen if we pass in this situation.  Another run with Mixon, give him a chance at redemption, or fake hand off to Mixon with Dalton keeping it for an outside run.

(10-15-2018, 10:30 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: But they  should have been critical because it was a stupid decision. 
Also we we're just stuffed on the previous play and we have a terrible offensive line to boot. 
Going for it just doesn't make sense and the negatives of missing it are just as big as the positives if it is made.

(10-15-2018, 10:51 PM)YsCascadia Wrote: So you think Mixon can't get 1 yard on 2 tries?  If so then we should cut him immediately.  I kid... sort of.

Yes, Mixon doesn't get the needed yardage on 3rd down, but you don't move away from him completely.  Hell that would have been the best time for a Dalton scramble.  Line up like we are going to give it to Mixon, hard count the max out of it before we do snap it, after the snap, fake to Mixon and let Dalton run like mad toward the outside, he has shown his ability to do this on other occasions.

I am not going to call Marvin a conservative HC.  He has definitely gambled in the past.  However against the Steelers he does seem to "play it safe" more than he gambles which has led to this perception of him playing scared.  He seems to play "not to lose" instead of playing to win.

One time I do recall him gambling against the Steelers was in 09, we fake punt, and run.  We won that game.