(10-24-2018, 11:49 AM)Au165 Wrote: Sure, but again.....10th. O lines are bad everywhere it's just the nature of the beast right now. 

(10-24-2018, 12:14 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I keep hearing this argument that Olines are bad everywhere so then why does our (supposedly) all star Dline struggle to get any pressure at all on 19 plays out of 20 ?

Redmond isn't good and he needs replaced now.

(10-24-2018, 12:17 PM)Au165 Wrote: They get pressure, they don't get sacks there is a difference. Carl Lawson has the 13th most pressures in the league, but they haven't equated to sacks. Geno is among the league leader is pressures as well. Often times people confuse pressure with sacks which isn't true.

Didn't say Redmond wasn't good but the narrative our O line is worst than most in pass protection as a whole isn't necessarily true either.

(10-24-2018, 12:25 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I don't confuse sacks with pressure at all. Or stats with reality. And the fact is our Dline has been a non factor in determining the out come of a boat load of plays.

We've gotten game chancing plays out of our Dline at a much lower rate than they are capable of.

(10-24-2018, 11:49 AM)Au165 Wrote: Sure, but again.....10th. O lines are bad everywhere it's just the nature of the beast right now. 

(10-24-2018, 12:45 PM)Synric Wrote: And I bet teams like the Bills, Texans, and Cowboys will be very low on that's list because the QB Time to Throw for all those teams are over 3 seconds. If a QB holds the ball it gives defensive lines more time to rush and get pressures.

The fact that the Bengals Time to Throw is at 2.55 and Redmond is giving up more pressure than any guard in the league (and I think History) is staggering.

The Bengals again have one of the worst offensive lines in football.

(10-24-2018, 12:59 PM)Au165 Wrote: There are plenty of players within .01 second of Daltons Time to throw who have given up far more pressures. It works in unison for sure, but keep in mind Tim to Throw only accounts for passes they got off which makes it difficult when they eat it and take the sack to determine what that had to do with in terms of time. 

I don't disagree they aren't good, but I think people look at it in a bubble disregarding the leagues issues as a whole. I think they are closer to average than they are the worst, but it's all relative to the current state.

(10-24-2018, 01:05 PM)Synric Wrote: We've seen a lot of these numbers spike over the last three weeks. 

Teams have figured out they can play cover 2 man against the Bengals because they can control the line of scrimmage. They can stop the run with 6 to 6.5 players in the box and force Andy to throw quickly into tight coverage.

(10-24-2018, 12:09 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Our worst rated OL is still rated higher than 4 of 5 starting OL from last year.  So, while Redmond's performance has been nothing to write home about, the overall performance of the OL is better than last year.

(10-24-2018, 01:20 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Some poops stink less than others. Doesnt mean i keep them around

(10-24-2018, 01:32 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Alright, fair enough.  So, what superstar are you bringing up from the bench to sub in for him?

(10-23-2018, 11:31 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Dont wait for Price to come back to make a change. Westerman should be starting at RG. Hopkins is backup quality.  We need Price at C. Im not convinced Hart is that much better than Fisher. Why cant we give him some snaps at RT

(10-24-2018, 01:52 PM)Au165 Wrote: I think Chance Warmack from Philly could be had for a 6th or 7th rounder.

(10-24-2018, 12:30 PM)Au165 Wrote: They are actually getting a lot of pressure relative to most teams, they aren't equating into sacks. The confusing stat with reality comment is actually your problem, you take your perception as reality...stats are the reality. Your casual observation says we don't get pressure the stats however paint a completely different story.

(10-24-2018, 02:00 PM)Whodey614 Wrote: The O-Line was the least of everyone's worries when the Bengals were dropping 30 every game. Like I keep saying, it's far from perfect but much improved from last year. It's impossible to rebuild an o-line into elite status in one year. Guys like Redmond and Hart were struggling but we were still producing due to Dalton getting the ball out quickly and guys being open.

The problem has been that Lazor seems to have lost his mojo ever since Eifert and Gio went out. I get that Eifert is a major weapon, but it's not like CJ or Kroft when healthy are scrubs. When Ross has been out there, he was barely being used or targeted outside out of the Carolina debacle. Lazor can't utilize Ross like KC does with Tyreek Hill. The running game stagnated again (has some to do with abandoning the run at the wrong times like against Pitt) and Mixon has not been used in the passing game as much as we expected. We're seeing flashes of the 2016 & 17 Bengals offense again and that should not be the case honestly. Especially since the OL is slightly improved and we have Tyler Boyd instead of Lafell and Mixon instead of Jeremy Hill. There are plenty of teams that have average WRs and OLs and they could still put up at least 24 points on the board against KC's defense. Lazor needs to make changes because nothing has not been working since the Atlanta game.

(10-24-2018, 02:28 PM)Wyche Wrote: First off.....lots of good stuff in your post, and I agree with it, but I wanted to address what I bolded in detail.

I found this quote quite interesting:

"Forget that the Bengals scored 117 points in the first 14 quarters of the season with Eifert and 67 in the 14 quarters without him. It is also how Lazor shaped his offense around multiple tight-end sets.

Often double tights and sometimes triple tights, Lazor used Eifert, Uzomah and Tyler Kroft at least 32 percent of the snaps and none more than 65 percent in the first three games. In the last three games without Eifert, Uzomah has played at least 92 percent of the snaps because Kroft broke a bone in his foot. Without Kroft, in the last two games combined new No. 3 tight end Matt Lengel has played six snaps and Mason Schreck played nine before he suffered what appears to be a season-ending knee injury."

Lazor has some adjusting to do.....hell we don't even HAVE 3 TEs anymore in reality.

(10-24-2018, 02:00 PM)Whodey614 Wrote: The O-Line was the least of everyone's worries when the Bengals were dropping 30 every game. Like I keep saying, it's far from perfect but much improved from last year. It's impossible to rebuild an o-line into elite status in one year. Guys like Redmond and Hart were struggling but we were still producing due to Dalton getting the ball out quickly and guys being open.

The problem has been that Lazor seems to have lost his mojo ever since Eifert and Gio went out. I get that Eifert is a major weapon, but it's not like CJ or Kroft when healthy are scrubs. When Ross has been out there, he was barely being used or targeted outside out of the Carolina debacle. Lazor can't utilize Ross like KC does with Tyreek Hill. The running game stagnated again (has some to do with abandoning the run at the wrong times like against Pitt) and Mixon has not been used in the passing game as much as we expected. We're seeing flashes of the 2016 & 17 Bengals offense again and that should not be the case honestly. Especially since the OL is slightly improved and we have Tyler Boyd instead of Lafell and Mixon instead of Jeremy Hill. There are plenty of teams that have average WRs and OLs and they could still put up at least 24 points on the board against KC's defense. Lazor needs to make changes because nothing has not been working since the Atlanta game.

(10-24-2018, 02:26 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Stats never tell the whole story nor will they ever tell the whole story. They're like reading the middle 10 chapters in a 20 chapter book.

For example we're down by 21 late in a game and get 2 pressures, see what I mean ?

(10-24-2018, 02:28 PM)Wyche Wrote: First off.....lots of good stuff in your post, and I agree with it, but I wanted to address what I bolded in detail.

I found this quote quite interesting:

"Forget that the Bengals scored 117 points in the first 14 quarters of the season with Eifert and 67 in the 14 quarters without him. It is also how Lazor shaped his offense around multiple tight-end sets.

Often double tights and sometimes triple tights, Lazor used Eifert, Uzomah and Tyler Kroft at least 32 percent of the snaps and none more than 65 percent in the first three games. In the last three games without Eifert, Uzomah has played at least 92 percent of the snaps because Kroft broke a bone in his foot. Without Kroft, in the last two games combined new No. 3 tight end Matt Lengel has played six snaps and Mason Schreck played nine before he suffered what appears to be a season-ending knee injury."

Lazor has some adjusting to do.....hell we don't even HAVE 3 TEs anymore in reality.