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RE: Final 53 - Okeana - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 10:08 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Here's you chance to make your final prediction or comment on others. I'll get the ball rolling:
QB- AJ McCarron, Andy Dalton
RB- Jeremy Hill, Gio Bernard, Rex Burkhead, Cedric Peerman
WR- AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mo Sanu, Greg Little, Brandon Tate, Mario Alford
TE- Tyler Eifert, Tyler Kroft, Ryan Hewitt
OL- Andrew Whitworth, Clint Boling, Russell Bodine, Kevin Zietler, Andre Smith, Eric Winston, TJ Johnson, Jake Fisher, Dan France, Trey Hopkins
DL- Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, Domata Peko, Michael Johnson, Pat Sims, Wallace Gilberry, Chris Carter, DeShawn Williams, Margus Hunt, Will Clark
LB- AJ Hawk, Rey Maualuga, Vincent Rey, Emanual Lamur, PJ Dawson
DB- Leon Hall, Dre Kirkpatrick, Adam Jones, Darqueze Dennard, Josh Shaw, Tony Hill, Reggie Nelson, George Iloka, Shawn Williams, Derron Smith
ST- Clark Harris, Kevin Huber, Mike Nugent
I will do some quick edits.
QB- Andy Dalton, AJ McCarron
RB- Jeremy Hill, Gio Bernard, Rex Burkhead, Cedric Peerman
WR- AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mo Sanu, Greg Little, Mario Alford
TE- Tyler Eifert, Tyler Kroft, Ryan Hewitt, CJ Uzomah
OL- Andrew Whitworth, Clint Boling, Russell Bodine, Kevin Zietler, Andre Smith, Eric Winston, TJ Johnson, Jake Fisher, Dan France
DL- Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, Domata Peko, Michael Johnson, Pat Sims, Wallace Gilberry, Marcus Hardison, DeShawn Williams, Devon Still, Will Clark
LB- AJ Hawk, Rey Maualuga, Vincent Rey, PJ Dawson, Chris Carter, Flowers
DB- Leon Hall, Dre Kirkpatrick, Adam Jones, Darqueze Dennard, Josh Shaw, Troy Hill, Reggie Nelson, George Iloka, Derron Smith
ST- Clark Harris, Kevin Huber, Mike Nugent
CHANGES MADE
Tate removed to free up roster spots
Hunt released
Carter Moved to LB
Hardison and Still added. Clark takes over as backup left DE, Hardison may also see reps at DE
Uzomah kept for development, but please note that this guy may go to practice squad
Have them keeping Flowers at LB depending on injury
Shawn williams released in favor of Shaw / Hall getting reps at Safety.
** Some things Im thinking about changing is dropping Uzomah to keep tate or posisbly bring in another return specialist.
** Also I think Chris Lewis-Harris has potential to stay on this roster after 4th preseason game and again may take #53 over uzomah depending on special teams.
RE: Final 53 - Luvnit2 - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 11:30 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Right, question is does Peerman's ST's value rate a roster spot over someone, (Wilder) who's younger and may be able to contribute more on all downs. We don't want to wear Hill out early and Gio has me a little concerned.
It's not about hating on Peerman, dude is pretty good overall. But does pretty good make it ?
And I don't think Hunt offers enough to cut a younger possibly better player to hope the light comes on with him. He has no technique besides the overpowering bulrush. And when he gets there he doesn't know what to do, his football instincts are weak.
I think some fans forget we have 3 units
Defense
Offense
Special Teams
Peerman is a starter on special teams and our special teams captain. So, these young RB's have to be able to replace Peerman on special teams because if Gio, Hill and Burkhead are healthy, they likely would not be active on game days unless they also become very good special teams players.
There are many special team units so Peerman would have to be replaced on multiple special team units and that is not easy to replace in my opinion
RE: Final 53 - Okeana - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 11:37 AM)Synric Wrote: I really like Deshawn Williams he has looked very good in his few snaps, but with Gillberry and Hunt both sliding inside to rush the passer seems to me the best idea is to try to slide him to the Practice Squad and carry an extra 1-tech. Which would be Hardison which I guess you missed lol.
You move Deshawn Williams to practice squad and we lose him 100%. No chance this guy doesn't make another team.
RE: Final 53 - Synric - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 11:57 AM)Okeana Wrote: You move Deshawn Williams to practice squad and we lose him 100%. No chance this guy doesn't make another team.
That's what everyone keeps saying...but the facts are while has had a good pre-season and I'd very much like to see him as a Bengal he's still an undated free agent that was a backup in college...hard to say if as fans we are overvaluing him.
RE: Final 53 - Okeana - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 12:21 PM)Synric Wrote: That's what everyone keeps saying...but the facts are while has had a good pre-season and I'd very much like to see him as a Bengal he's still an undated free agent that was a backup in college...hard to say if as fans we are overvaluing him.
How can you overvalue someone who has played well ? He has shown more than Devon still, Margus Hunt, or Brandon Thompson. Regardless of if they were drafted and he wasn't or if he was a college standout. You can only go by what you see on the field and obviously being in our locker room has brought out something in this guy.
RE: Final 53 - Synric - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 12:24 PM)Okeana Wrote: How can you overvalue someone who has played well ? He has shown more than Devon still, Margus Hunt, or Brandon Thompson. Regardless of if they were drafted and he wasn't or if he was a college standout. You can only go by what you see on the field and obviously being in our locker room has brought out something in this guy.
It all comes down to team needs right? Besides Dunlap hunt is the only other LDE on the roster Gillberry can't play it and Clarke has taken very few snaps on that side in a base defense. Gillberry is an inside pass rusher at the 3-tech and a very good one. Both Hardison and Sims can play both tackle spots on all 3 downs...Peko and Geno are starters...makes room on the defensive line tight. If they go light elsewhere hell yea on Deshawn Williams but if only 9 spots are available you have to go with the 1-techs.
RE: Final 53 - CarolinaBengalFanGuy - 09-04-2015
QB: Andy Dalton, AJ McCarron
RB: Jeremy Hill, Giovanni Bernard, Rex Burkhead, Cedric Peerman
WR: AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mohammed Sanu, Greg Little, Brandon Tate, Mario Alford
TE: Tyler Eifert, Tyler Kroft, Ryan Hewitt
OL: Andrew Whitworth, Clint Boling, Russell Bodine, Kevin Zietler, Andre Smith, Jake Fisher, Trey Hopkins, TJ Johnson, Tanner Hawkinson, Eric Winston
DL: Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, Domata Peko, Michael Johnson, Wallace Gilberry, Pat Sims, DeShawn Williams, Margus Hunt, Will Clark
LB: AJ Hawk, Rey Maualuga, Vincent Rey, Emanual Lamur, Paul Dawson, Chris Carter
DB: Leon Hall, Dre Kirkpatrick, Adam Jones, Darqueze Dennard, Josh Shaw, Tony Hill, Reggie Nelson, George Iloka, Shawn Williams, Derron Smith
ST: Clark Harris, Kevin Huber, Mike Nugent
RE: Final 53 - Okeana - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 12:33 PM)Synric Wrote: It all comes down to team needs right? Besides Dunlap hunt is the only other LDE on the roster Gillberry can't play it and Clarke has taken very few snaps on that side in a base defense. Gillberry is an inside pass rusher at the 3-tech and a very good one. Both Hardison and Sims can play both tackle spots on all 3 downs...Peko and Geno are starters...makes room on the defensive line tight. If they go light elsewhere hell yea on Deshawn Williams but if only 9 spots are available you have to go with the 1-techs.
I think Clarke has shown better a LDE and even Carter was taking snaps there last night. Hunt never looks good to me. I wouldn't be surprised if you see clarke and Carter listed as backups at LDE and Gillberry/Hardison listed for RDE with Carter filling in there as well. Sims is a better version of Thompson and Williams looks to be a better version of Gillberry if he keeps heading in the right direction.
Of course the simple answer is cut peko, but the power of the force prevents it.
RE: Final 53 - Luvnit2 - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 01:41 PM)Okeana Wrote: I think Clarke has shown better a LDE and even Carter was taking snaps there last night. Hunt never looks good to me. I wouldn't be surprised if you see clarke and Carter listed as backups at LDE and Gillberry/Hardison listed for RDE with Carter filling in there as well. Sims is a better version of Thompson and Williams looks to be a better version of Gillberry if he keeps heading in the right direction.
Of course the simple answer is cut peko, but the power of the force prevents it.
I would be very surprised if Carter is listed as DE since ML has stated all summer he is a LB and not a DL
The fact you are comparing a rookie undrafted player Williams (who I think belongs on the PS) to a proven veteran who plays DE and DT and not just DT gives me the impression you analysis is severely flawed.
The reason in my opinion is you hate Hunt and lost your objectivity saying anything to support your argument Hunt is garbage.
RE: Final 53 - Synric - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 01:41 PM)Okeana Wrote: I think Clarke has shown better a LDE and even Carter was taking snaps there last night. Hunt never looks good to me. I wouldn't be surprised if you see clarke and Carter listed as backups at LDE and Gillberry/Hardison listed for RDE with Carter filling in there as well. Sims is a better version of Thompson and Williams looks to be a better version of Gillberry if he keeps heading in the right direction.
Of course the simple answer is cut peko, but the power of the force prevents it.
Carter is not a defensive end he is a linebacker catch him on run downs and he's gonna get run over ( does happen look at Gillberry getting caught at tackle a few times last season after a team coverts a 3rd and long). Clarke has played very few snaps at LDE in the base defense. Hardison is going to be the backup DT and looks like he's gonna get quite a few snaps during the season at both tackle spots.
RE: Final 53 - fredtoast - 09-04-2015
I think DeShawn Williams would clear waivers so that we could sign him to the practice squad. He has not been that dominating this pre-season.
RE: Final 53 - fredtoast - 09-04-2015
Even if we keep 10 D-linemen they won't all be active on game days. And if you keep Chris Carter then you have to have him active on gamedays. So that makes it tougher to keep Carter as the "10th D-lineman".
RE: Final 53 - bfine32 - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 01:50 PM)Synric Wrote: Carter is not a defensive end he is a linebacker
What do you call someone whose best contribution is lining up in a 3-point stance at the end of the Defensive Line of a 4-3 Defense?
RE: Final 53 - RoyleRedlegs - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 01:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What do you call someone whose best contribution is lining up in a 3-point stance at the end of the Defensive Line of a 4-3 Defense?
A LB to excuse keeping Hunt
RE: Final 53 - bfine32 - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 01:58 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Even if we keep 10 D-linemen they won't all be active on game days. And if you keep Chris Carter then you have to have him active on gamedays. So that makes it tougher to keep Carter as the "10th D-lineman".
I'm sure he might be able to bring a little something to the Special Teams as well. Most likely something Carlos, MJ, or Gilberry do not.
RE: Final 53 - DanTheBengalsFan - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 01:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What do you call someone whose best contribution is lining up in a 3-point stance at the end of the Defensive Line of a 4-3 Defense?
Whatever he wants. Dude's gonna be much bigger than I am.
RE: Final 53 - 3wt - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 10:08 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Here's you chance to make your final prediction or comment on others. I'll get the ball rolling:
QB- AJ McCarron, Andy Dalton
RB- Jeremy Hill, Gio Bernard, Rex Burkhead, Cedric Peerman, You're prediction is right - but if it's me I go with Wilder
WR- AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mo Sanu, Greg Little, Brandon Tate, Mario Alford
TE- Tyler Eifert, Tyler Kroft, Ryan Hewitt, I agree with your assessment but predict Uzomah makes the 53 - shouldn't though. He's done nothing
OL- Andrew Whitworth, Clint Boling, Russell Bodine, Kevin Zietler, Andre Smith, Eric Winston, TJ Johnson, Jake Fisher, Dan France, Trey Hopkins
DL- Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, Domata Peko, Michael Johnson, Pat Sims, Wallace Gilberry, Chris Carter, DeShawn Williams, Margus Hunt, Will Clark, I agree with this but predict that Williams does not make it.
LB- AJ Hawk, Rey Maualuga, Vincent Rey, Emanual Lamur, PJ Dawson
DB- Leon Hall, Dre Kirkpatrick, Adam Jones, Darqueze Dennard, Josh Shaw, Tony Hill, Reggie Nelson, George Iloka, Shawn Williams, Derron Smith I agree that they'll go with 10 DBs
ST- Clark Harris, Kevin Huber, Mike Nugent
RE: Final 53 - Synric - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 01:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What do you call someone whose best contribution is lining up in a 3-point stance at the end of the Defensive Line of a 4-3 Defense?
Someone playing a niche role? Did he play a single run down all night? I don't think he did...Shawn Williams lined up as the nickel linebacker does that make him a linebacker? Margus Hunt and Gillberry lined up at Tackle this preseason does that make them defensive tackles? No....
RE: Final 53 - XenoMorph - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 01:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What do you call someone whose best contribution is lining up in a 3-point stance at the end of the Defensive Line of a 4-3 Defense?
im kinda surprised he didnt make it on a 3-4 team.
RE: Final 53 - bfine32 - 09-04-2015
(09-04-2015, 02:47 PM)Synric Wrote: Shawn Williams lined up as the nickel linebacker does that make him a linebacker? Margus Hunt and Gillberry lined up at Tackle this preseason does that make them defensive tackles? No....
uuhhhmmm.....Yes