(11-12-2018, 12:24 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Those are excellent points as usual but I just want to see a third down stop before the season ends.  I’m that desperate.

(11-12-2018, 12:26 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: It makes zero sense that our D is this bad. Ok our LBers aren't great but after that we've got some decent players, a couple great.

The coaching, the practice, the scheme, the playcalling, and most importantly the tone of this defense is all wrong. You can't completely take away a defense's aggressiveness playing soft the entire game and expect good results.

How ML can stand by and watch this is dumbfounding ?

(11-12-2018, 12:51 AM)Benton Wrote: Marvin as a defensive coach was most likely a fluke. He was a product of having multiple Hof players propping him up. The only time Marvin's teams have consistently fielded good defenses is when Zimmer was here.

I'd trust Marvin with the defense about as well as if trust Marvin to lead this team to the promised Land.

(11-12-2018, 01:10 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That was one heck of a premonition that you had.  Let's just hope that it works out.

(11-12-2018, 01:20 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Bingo, I have been saying that for awhile now. Merv did not make those players, those players made Marvin.

(11-12-2018, 01:20 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Bingo, I have been saying that for awhile now. Merv did not make those players, those players made Marvin.

(11-12-2018, 05:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So are you saying coaching will not help our defense?

We need to just replace all of the players?

(11-12-2018, 08:25 PM)sandwedge Wrote: What I am exactly saying is, if you think our LBs are going to come in next Sunday and play like they are fire, because of the great D guru Merv, then you are kidding yourself.  He had really good players in Baltimore, us not so much... Sorry I am not buying the Merv kool-aid...

(11-12-2018, 07:14 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Sure those players on that famous Ravens' defense were all very talented.  But they were also very disciplined and focused, almost like they were executing a specific plan that someone drew up to get the most of their talents.  If only the Bengals had someone capable of doing that...  

(11-12-2018, 03:26 AM)Ravage Wrote: You realize that would be a massive step backwards for Geno, right? Turning one of the best pass-rushing DT's in the last 20 or so years into a run-stuffer/block eater? Do you think our LB's would magically learn how to tackle if Geno put on 50lbs and stopped having a quick first step and neigh godlike bullrush? I think we both know our LB's would still look like they were coated in lube trying to tackle a greased pig. I get what you were going for, but that's just a strange comparison to make. Give me a choice between Goose and Geno and I'm taking Geno 100% of the time.

That isn't to knock Goose, he was a good player, but Geno is a borderline HOF DT (if he was almost anywhere else he'd be a lock already). Even in what might seem like a down year for Geno, through 9 games Geno has more sacks (6) than Goose ever did in a full season (5). And that kind of disruption from the interior is far more valuable than a run stopping fat guy, especially in what is now unquestionably a passing league.

This defense has a ton of issues at the moment, #97, however, isn't one of them.

(11-12-2018, 12:21 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I don't know.  Marvin is so far removed from being a "hands on" coach, working directly with players and teaching scheme and technique, for so long that I'm not sure that would even work.  These days, he's more of an administrative figurehead.

(11-12-2018, 12:21 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I don't know.  Marvin is so far removed from being a "hands on" coach, working directly with players and teaching scheme and technique, for so long that I'm not sure that would even work.  These days, he's more of an administrative figurehead.

(11-13-2018, 09:14 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I don't know, I remember Jordan Evans coming off the field last year after missing a tackle, and Marvin pulled him aside and asked him if what happened, and how to correct it. I think he is still perfectly capable of being a hands on coach.

(11-12-2018, 08:25 PM)sandwedge Wrote: What I am exactly saying is, if you think our LBs are going to come in next Sunday and play like they are fire, because of the great D guru Merv, then you are kidding yourself.  He had really good players in Baltimore, us not so much... Sorry I am not buying the Merv kool-aid...

(11-12-2018, 12:18 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: It’s Marvin Lewis.

His 2000 Ravens’ defense gave up an average of 9.4 points per game.  

That’s sick.  Let that number sink in for a minute.

Let him work with the Cincinnati defense for the rest of the season and let’s see what happens.  I’m not saying he’ll turn Vontaze Burfict into Ray Lewis or Jessie Bates into Ed Reed or Geno Atkins into Tony Siragusa but let’s get real:  Marvin needs to effectively function as the defensive coordinator until the Front Office finds someone like Mike Zimmer who pisses sulfuric acid and poops napalm.

(11-13-2018, 12:27 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Marvin Lewis also was a DC from a time that allowed far more on defense than it does now. I'm still worried that Lewis' approach, philosophy, scheme, etc would be outdated for today's game. We'll see I guess.

(11-13-2018, 12:27 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Marvin Lewis also was a DC from a time that allowed far more on defense than it does now. I'm still worried that Lewis' approach, philosophy, scheme, etc would be outdated for today's game. We'll see I guess.