(11-20-2018, 09:05 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Zampese was the worst OC that I ever seen. That's probably why people thought Lazor was such a good coordinator. If you go to the worst to below average you'll think it's a lot better than what it is.

(11-20-2018, 09:03 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I hear ya Wyche but for #$%@ sake ...... try something different, anything. It sure seems like we just ran the same 10 plays over and over and it was like either out execute them or fail.

And I also wonder how much Merv intervene's ? "no we can't get to crazy, to risky"

(11-20-2018, 09:38 PM)3wt Wrote: I feel you 74.

But Lap was saying that Paul Brown simplified his offense when they were just not getting it done.    Brought it down to a small # of plays and drilled them at it till they could do it in their sleep.  Lap says their performance dramatically improved.

I'm with Wyche.   Lazor's come up with some nice plays (some really good looking screens).   But the execution has just not been there.  I'm willing to give him some more time.  Shoot he's working with a confabulated roster - no tight ends, with the only offensive linemen that are any good playing hurt plus a rookie - who has been hurt.  His # 1 WR is out and when he returns will still be dealing with turf toe.   So he's got one good receiver and an injury prone rookie who hasn't put the pro game together in his head.  Plus one 3rd string TE and a bunch of practice squad players.

But I look at teams like Kansas City, the Rams and New Orleans and dream. 

(11-20-2018, 09:38 PM)3wt Wrote: I feel you 74.

But Lap was saying that Paul Brown simplified his offense when they were just not getting it done.    Brought it down to a small # of plays and drilled them at it till they could do it in their sleep.  Lap says their performance dramatically improved.

I'm with Wyche.   Lazor's come up with some nice plays (some really good looking screens).   But the execution has just not been there.  I'm willing to give him some more time.  Shoot he's working with a confabulated roster - no tight ends, with the only offensive linemen that are any good playing hurt plus a rookie - who has been hurt.  His # 1 WR is out and when he returns will still be dealing with turf toe.   So he's got one good receiver and an injury prone rookie who hasn't put the pro game together in his head.  Plus one 3rd string TE and a bunch of practice squad players.

But I look at teams like Kansas City, the Rams and New Orleans and dream. 

(11-20-2018, 09:59 PM)wildcats forever Wrote: Lazor has had to play from 2 - 3 scores behind several times in recent games. Now this might not be a major point, but he has been limited with his playbook options when he's forced to play catch up just to stay in the game. We saw better production in the first 5 games this season when he was able to open his playbook. Enter some injuries for which he had no comparable talent for backups, all while the defense wasn't able to get off the field, and he's been at a disadvantage in almost every game since. It has been a combination of several failures led by Mikey and Marvin's own substandard performances. 

(11-20-2018, 09:38 PM)3wt Wrote: I feel you 74.

But Lap was saying that Paul Brown simplified his offense when they were just not getting it done.    Brought it down to a small # of plays and drilled them at it till they could do it in their sleep.  Lap says their performance dramatically improved.

I'm with Wyche.   Lazor's come up with some nice plays (some really good looking screens).   But the execution has just not been there.  I'm willing to give him some more time.  Shoot he's working with a confabulated roster - no tight ends, with the only offensive linemen that are any good playing hurt plus a rookie - who has been hurt.  His # 1 WR is out and when he returns will still be dealing with turf toe.   So he's got one good receiver and an injury prone rookie who hasn't put the pro game together in his head.  Plus one 3rd string TE and a bunch of practice squad players.

But I look at teams like Kansas City, the Rams and New Orleans and dream. 

(11-20-2018, 09:05 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Zampese was the worst OC that I ever seen. That's probably why people thought Lazor was such a good coordinator. If you go to the worst to below average you'll think it's a lot better than what it is.

(11-20-2018, 10:27 PM)McC Wrote: But if you simplify your offense these days, DC's will eat your lunch, unless you're the Panthers' or Ravens' offense running three plays down a rotten defense's throat all day long.  And to do this takes strength of will, a commodity we seem to have in short supply these days.

(11-20-2018, 10:19 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Good points. Especially as it seems like AD loves working the middle of the field more vs outside the hashes. When did Eifert get hurt? Week 4. Supports your theory as well. This offense limps without Eifert. They can’t seem to fully operate without a TE receiving option over the middle, and now consider they’re down 17 TEs, they probably cry at night while eating ice cream. AJ green our they probably have nightmares every night

also your sentence is deep. It’s what I’ve been trying to intake as well. It’s creates a lack of urgency and displine. Hmmm

(11-20-2018, 10:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: We ended last year ranked dead last in offense.  We went from the worst to the worst and now we are just bad.  I'm just saying may be Lazor had some hand in the 14 weeks of crap offense last year .

(11-20-2018, 10:40 PM)Wyche Wrote: You can simplify the plays but run them out of a multitude of sets and shifts.  It's still not a long term solution, but it might just work for a few games while you're going to war with scrubs...lol.

(11-20-2018, 10:45 PM)McC Wrote: It still usually comes down to beating the guy across from you.  It is kind of handicapping to not have many guys doing that lately.

(11-21-2018, 09:47 AM)Sled21 Wrote: If I had the time and know how, I'd just love to go back and pull up all the threads hollering for Hue to be let go when he was OC......

(11-20-2018, 08:38 PM)McC Wrote: Not a big Hue fan, per se.  Something about him rubs me the wrong way.  But he is miles better that our boy Bill, who lacks the adapt gene, which is why our offense is headed south in a hurry.

I guarantee you Hue would find better ways to use what he has.

(11-20-2018, 08:38 PM)McC Wrote: Not a big Hue fan, per se.  Something about him rubs me the wrong way.  But he is miles better that our boy Bill, who lacks the adapt gene, which is why our offense is headed south in a hurry.

I guarantee you Hue would find better ways to use what he has.

(11-20-2018, 08:38 PM)McC Wrote: Not a big Hue fan, per se.  Something about him rubs me the wrong way. 

(11-20-2018, 09:38 PM)3wt Wrote: But I look at teams like Kansas City, the Rams and New Orleans and dream.