(12-25-2018, 12:46 AM)grampahol Wrote: It's kind of tough to say really since this team has been soooo beaten up with injuries. It's possible they get back to winning ways, but I'm certainly not going to put my balls on the chopping block if they don't.

(12-25-2018, 11:55 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Changes to a losing program begin with new coaches and new philosophy with respect to offensive and defensive line play. Why do you think the Steelers still win without LeVeon Bell or James Conner? I hate Pittsburgh but their lines are so good any skill players can just “plug in.”

(12-25-2018, 11:55 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Changes to a losing program begin with new coaches and new philosophy with respect to offensive and defensive line play.  Why do you think the Steelers still win without LeVeon Bell or James Conner?  I hate Pittsburgh but their lines are so good any skill players can just “plug in.”

(12-25-2018, 11:57 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That’s definitely a big part of it. A HoF QB don’t hurt either.

(12-24-2018, 12:50 PM)Trademark Wrote:

Joe Mixon: "I've never been a part of a losing program. I promise you we ain't going to be in this (losing way) for long, and that's a fact." #Bengals @fox19

— Jeremy Rauch (@FOX19Jeremy) December 23, 2018

Couldn’t have said it better myself https://t.co/pAEoafazni

— Samwise (@Sam_Hubbard_) December 23, 2018

Love the passion from these two

(12-25-2018, 02:56 PM)Sled21 Wrote: All this "Mike Brown doesn't want to win" bs is just that, BS. Mike Brown wants to win, he just doesn't really know how, he's stuck with a formula, and is too old and proud to change his ways. Doesn't have anything to do with "want".... stubbornness, yes. Pride, yes... lack of want, not so much

(12-25-2018, 02:56 PM)Sled21 Wrote: All this "Mike Brown doesn't want to win" bs is just that, BS. Mike Brown wants to win, he just doesn't really know how, he's stuck with a formula, and is too old and proud to change his ways. Doesn't have anything to do with "want".... stubbornness, yes. Pride, yes... lack of want, not so much

(12-25-2018, 01:20 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I just read your OP, now my prediction.

A bunch of fans will bash MB versus saying it is nice to say players step and say they are the problem, they need to fix it.

If I am wrong, I will eat crow, but sadly I won't be. MB is the owner, he or his family will likely always be the owner. So if you feel the MB family does not want to win or is not capable to win, I have a simple question. Why are you still a fan? No one is forcing you to be a Bengals fan. If the team gives you that much misery, by all means use your brain and go find greener pastures, no one should stay in forced misery, not forced by MB or his family, forced by own decision to be miserable.

I am frustrated as anyone, but MB is going nowhere. I make a conscious decision to be a fan knowing the Bengals may never win a playoff game or a Super Bowl. Bitching and moaning by me will never change the narrative.

So go away fire away at me if I offended you or if I was wrong on the direction the thread would go of bashing MB.

On a side note, Merry Christmas to all and God Bless.

(12-24-2018, 12:50 PM)Trademark Wrote:

Joe Mixon: "I've never been a part of a losing program. I promise you we ain't going to be in this (losing way) for long, and that's a fact." #Bengals @fox19

— Jeremy Rauch (@FOX19Jeremy) December 23, 2018

Couldn’t have said it better myself https://t.co/pAEoafazni

— Samwise (@Sam_Hubbard_) December 23, 2018

Love the passion from these two

(12-25-2018, 03:11 PM)McC Wrote: But doesn't that right there really say that he doesn't actually care if he wins or not, which is just another way of saying he doesn't want to?  If you want to, you do whatever it takes to find a way.  You don't stick on a proven loser, do you?  Don't you at least try another way?  Maybe even try the way almost everybody else is doing it.  It's only resulted in every championship in how many years, so they might be onto something.

I'm sorry, but the evidence speaks for itself.

(12-25-2018, 02:56 PM)Sled21 Wrote: All this "Mike Brown doesn't want to win" bs is just that, BS. Mike Brown wants to win, he just doesn't really know how, he's stuck with a formula, and is too old and proud to change his ways. Doesn't have anything to do with "want".... stubbornness, yes. Pride, yes... lack of want, not so much

(12-25-2018, 01:20 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I just read your OP, now my prediction.

A bunch of fans will bash MB versus saying it is nice to say players step and say they are the problem, they need to fix it.

If I am wrong, I will eat crow, but sadly I won't be. MB is the owner, he or his family will likely always be the owner. So if you feel the MB family does not want to win or is not capable to win, I have a simple question. Why are you still a fan? No one is forcing you to be a Bengals fan. If the team gives you that much misery, by all means use your brain and go find greener pastures, no one should stay in forced misery, not forced by MB or his family, forced by own decision to be miserable.

I am frustrated as anyone, but MB is going nowhere. I make a conscious decision to be a fan knowing the Bengals may never win a playoff game or a Super Bowl. Bitching and moaning by me will never change the narrative.

So go away fire away at me if I offended you or if I was wrong on the direction the thread would go of bashing MB.

On a side note, Merry Christmas to all and God Bless.