(09-10-2015, 03:39 PM)djs7685 Wrote: I like this game, let me try!

Marvin could have the most embarrassing primetime and postseason point spread (especially 2nd half of games) in NFL history - "fans" will still tell us to not sleep on Marvin and tell us how this is our year EVERY single year.

Andy could have one of the worst career postseason passer ratings in NFL history - "fans" will still deflect blame to others.

Mike could go a quarter of a century without a playoff win - idiots will still defend every move the team makes.

Herp derp, durrrrrrrr.

(09-10-2015, 03:44 PM)Who Dey Time Wrote: I have said multiple times that I am 50/50 on Marvin.  I see the good, see the concerns.

Others outside of Andy should bear some of the postseason responsibility.  Suggesting otherwise only shows a lack of knowledge on your part.

I don't think anyone has defended everything over Mike's 25-year control. To suggest that once again shows us more about you than anything else.

(09-10-2015, 03:51 PM)djs7685 Wrote: If you didn't understand the point of my post, then I'm afraid the only person lacking knowledge here would be you.

I'm sorry for not spelling things out more clearly for you. My post was making fun of yours, not to be taken 100% literally. I guess I should realize that my audience isn't always one that's capable of grasping obvious, extremely blatant parodies.

(09-10-2015, 03:58 PM)Who Dey Time Wrote: No I understood your lackluster attempt at jest.  Sadly, though, what you posted has been stated many times through the various message boards.  So, while you may have been joking, others are very serious when typing the exact same load of crap.  Which proves the point of my post.

(09-10-2015, 03:20 PM)Who Dey Time Wrote: Does it really matter?  As Daugherty astutely points out, many have already formulated their opinion about this particular Bengals era.

Marvin could win the big one - "fans" will still consider him a big game bust, giggles, etc.

Andy could win the big one - "fans" will still present the same negatives they always do.

Mike could win the big one - idiots will still decry the stadium deal, cheapness, etc.

Thus, IMO, the legacy question is irrelevant.  Having said that, 2015 could be a future defining season for many on this team including Marvin Lewis.  That becomes the ultimate question.

(09-10-2015, 03:39 PM)djs7685 Wrote: I like this game, let me try!

Marvin could have the most embarrassing primetime and postseason point spread (especially 2nd half of games) in NFL history - "fans" will still tell us to not sleep on Marvin and tell us how this is our year EVERY single year.

Andy could have one of the worst career postseason passer ratings in NFL history - "fans" will still deflect blame to others.

Mike could go a quarter of a century without a playoff win - idiots will still defend every move the team makes.

Herp derp, durrrrrrrr.

(09-10-2015, 12:53 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Excellent find.

One of the statements that stood out to me was: "...before the whole thing is blown to free agent smithereens."

If that's the team's plan, which I'm not sure it is, why didn't we spend our first two picks in the draft on players who will help us this year? Circumstances just beg the question.

The legacies for Marvin Lewis and Andy Dalton sure are wrapped up in this year. Laying complete rotten eggs in games this year isn't going to fly, regardless of who gets injured or how good the other teams turn out to be.

Mike Brown's legacy was written more than a decade ago when he nose dived the franchise and kept it at the bottom for 15 years. Bringing it part way back up just ain't good enough. Even a SB isn't good enough. Really, if the guy had any sense of honor for his father, he'd change his last name to Smith and move to Alaska and hide in a cabin where the roads freeze over in the winter.

(09-10-2015, 12:48 PM)InTheJungleNow9 Wrote: This particular group's legacy has already been defined, and that is making the playoffs and losing first round.  Whether we as Bengals fans like that or not, it is factual and how the rest of the league/media views us.  Four years of the same is pretty defining in my eyes.  Of course, every season is a chance to redefine that mold and this one is no different.  But every year they don't exceed past successes is another that the legacy of almost good enough gets cemented deeper into the minds of everyone following this team.

(09-10-2015, 06:10 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote:

And it's far from over. 

(09-10-2015, 09:22 PM)Awful Llama Wrote: I like Paul, I really do.  He usually strikes well the tone of frustrated fan.  But, his comment about never-ending contempt for Mike in the face of multiple championships is, without a doubt, a bunch of bullshit.  If this regime were to actually win a Super Bowl, a statue of Mike/Marvin/Andy would be erected on Fountain Square the next effen day.  

We just want a championship.  Win one, and all is forgiven.  True story.

(09-10-2015, 02:11 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I've seen a few like Daugherty and Dehner talk about 30 free agents next year, as if the team is going to be blown up and this is their last shot. It's total bologna. According to Spotrac, here is a list of 21 players due to hit FA next year (starters in bold):

AJ Green- He'll get signed. If not he'll get tagged. He isn't going anywhere.
Leon Hall- It's time to move on. He's making 9 million this year, so it'll actually be good for the team to have him off the books.
Andre Smith- They pretty much drafted his replacement already.
Andrew Whitworth- Same here, but he could be retained at a lesser rate than he currently makes.
Reggie Nelson- He'll turn 33 early in the 2016 season. That's ancient for a safety. He's making 4.8 million this year. Could be had at a lesser rate.
George Iloka- Making 1.5 million this year, he's due for a raise.
Pacman Jones- Making 2.5 million this year. I don't see him getting much more on the open market with his age and history.
Marvin Jones- He hasn't done anything that will make him hard to retain. 
Mo Sanu- Same here. We'll keep at least 1 out of Jones and Sanu.
Pat Sims- I like him, but he's depth. Very replaceable.
Brandon Thompson- Same here. 
Wallace Gilberry- He's had a good run here, but he'll turn 31 in December.
Vinny Rey- Meh.
Emmanuel Lamur- See ya.
Chris Carter- No matter what he does this year, he should be easy to retain.
Eric Winston- See ya.
Brandon Tate- See ya.
Jayson Dimanche- Bottom of the roster type.
Chris Lewis-Harris- Same here.
Greg Little- And here.
TJ Johnson- Here as well.

We have 8 current starters due to hit FA. Of those, 4 are over 30 and need replaced soon anyway. We'll be able to retain most of the players the FO wants to keep. Some at a lesser rate. IMO, AJ Green and Iloka should be the main priorities. They should also try to keep Pacman, Whit and either Sanu or MLJ around. Other than that, I'm not too concerned about the rest of these players. I'm sure it'll shake out just fine.

(09-10-2015, 11:33 PM)Slappy from New Haven Wrote: MLJ hasn't done anything?

(09-11-2015, 12:00 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Not enough to warrant a sizable second contract.  Not yet at least. I'd guess he'd see about 2-3 mil per on the open market if free agency opened today.

Keep in mind, the guy has less than 1,000 yards, TOTAL, in his entire CAREER.  Never had an 800 yard season.  Only 69 career catches.  We can only speculate about how good he can be.  But contracts are generally based on actual performance.  He just doesn't have the numbers to support the idea that his upcoming deal is one that will break the bank.

(09-10-2015, 12:53 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Excellent find.

One of the statements that stood out to me was: "...before the whole thing is blown to free agent smithereens."

If that's the team's plan, which I'm not sure it is, why didn't we spend our first two picks in the draft on players who will help us this year? Circumstances just beg the question.

The legacies for Marvin Lewis and Andy Dalton sure are wrapped up in this year. Laying complete rotten eggs in games this year isn't going to fly, regardless of who gets injured or how good the other teams turn out to be.

Mike Brown's legacy was written more than a decade ago when he nose dived the franchise and kept it at the bottom for 15 years. Bringing it part way back up just ain't good enough. Even a SB isn't good enough. Really, if the guy had any sense of honor for his father, he'd change his last name to Smith and move to Alaska and hide in a cabin where the roads freeze over in the winter.

(09-10-2015, 02:11 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I've seen a few like Daugherty and Dehner talk about 30 free agents next year, as if the team is going to be blown up and this is their last shot. It's total bologna. According to Spotrac, here is a list of 21 players due to hit FA next year (starters in bold):

AJ Green- He'll get signed. If not he'll get tagged. He isn't going anywhere.
Leon Hall- It's time to move on. He's making 9 million this year, so it'll actually be good for the team to have him off the books.
Andre Smith- They pretty much drafted his replacement already.
Andrew Whitworth- Same here, but he could be retained at a lesser rate than he currently makes.
Reggie Nelson- He'll turn 33 early in the 2016 season. That's ancient for a safety. He's making 4.8 million this year. Could be had at a lesser rate.
George Iloka- Making 1.5 million this year, he's due for a raise.
Pacman Jones- Making 2.5 million this year. I don't see him getting much more on the open market with his age and history.
Marvin Jones- He hasn't done anything that will make him hard to retain. 
Mo Sanu- Same here. We'll keep at least 1 out of Jones and Sanu.
Pat Sims- I like him, but he's depth. Very replaceable.
Brandon Thompson- Same here. 
Wallace Gilberry- He's had a good run here, but he'll turn 31 in December.
Vinny Rey- Meh.
Emmanuel Lamur- See ya.
Chris Carter- No matter what he does this year, he should be easy to retain.
Eric Winston- See ya.
Brandon Tate- See ya.
Jayson Dimanche- Bottom of the roster type.
Chris Lewis-Harris- Same here.
Greg Little- And here.
TJ Johnson- Here as well.

We have 8 current starters due to hit FA. Of those, 4 are over 30 and need replaced soon anyway. We'll be able to retain most of the players the FO wants to keep. Some at a lesser rate. IMO, AJ Green and Iloka should be the main priorities. They should also try to keep Pacman, Whit and either Sanu or MLJ around. Other than that, I'm not too concerned about the rest of these players. I'm sure it'll shake out just fine.

(09-11-2015, 10:40 AM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: That is my problem with this organization. It always seems to be about "building for the future". I personally think they need to be more concerned with the here and now.
The cap is going to continue to go up and the team has a lot of contracts coming off. As others have said, it's not like they put new contracts on top of the old ones. I am new to this board, but was on the other for about seven years. It's always the same story... "the team has no money", "how can they sign anyone with contracts coming up", "it's a small market". If they lose many in free agency, then it is a choice to do so.

(09-11-2015, 05:13 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: I think Marvin jones will only be an RFA as last year he never played so he wont have 4 years needed to be an UFA