(03-05-2019, 12:05 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm not sure about "unseating" Corey Dillon.  As I recall, CD left of his own free will, when Marvin announced that anyone that didn't want to be there was free to pursue other options.  However, Rudi did do a great job in place of CD.

(03-05-2019, 04:01 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: He only unseated Dillon because CD was dealing with injuries in 2003. CD got Wally Pipped.

To those mentioning Pickens, how about his running mate Darnay Scott? Tbh, I think all of our good players from the 90's are underrated, thanks to all the losing. We wasted some fine talent over that decade. Blake, Pickens, Scott, Tony McGee, John Copeland, Dan Wilkinson, Daryl Williams, Alfred Williams, James Francis, etc.

(03-05-2019, 04:02 PM)jason Wrote: I saw Darnay in a Nelly video the other day...

(03-05-2019, 11:32 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Ross, Holman and Trumpy are OVERRATED, if anything; I remember on the mothership, when I was new and fresh, I threw in Tony McGee's name (and the numbers back it up, not to mention he was thrown to by awful/mediocre QBs for his entire career) for best Bengals TE and everyone was creaming their pants over the above three names...

They were all (well, Trumpy not so much) the 3rd or fourth option for the team, so how can they be underrated, when their numbers fall inline with their role?

(03-05-2019, 06:09 PM)Fullrock Wrote: Third or fourth option??? You clearly don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Ross. The guy rarely gets mentioned among Bengal greats, and make no mistake he was one. Like I said, he set a franchise record for most catches in a season with 77 in 1981. Obviously, that was later broken as the game evolved into more of a passing game, but he was hardly a 3rd or 4th option. That's ridiculous to even say. 3rd or 4th option sets franchise record for most receptions in a season?? Haha! He also had a huge Super Bowl with 11 catches, 104 yards and 2 TD. 

(03-05-2019, 11:53 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: You know you just proved my argument even more, right?

So his numbers fall in line with the first or second option of the team; excellent. Then, as I said, he's OVERRATED or rated where he should be.

(03-05-2019, 04:01 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: He only unseated Dillon because CD was dealing with injuries in 2003. CD got Wally Pipped.

To those mentioning Pickens, how about his running mate Darnay Scott? Tbh, I think all of our good players from the 90's are underrated, thanks to all the losing. We wasted some fine talent over that decade. Blake, Pickens, Scott, Tony McGee, John Copeland, Dan Wilkinson, Daryl Williams, Alfred Williams, James Francis, etc.

(03-05-2019, 04:01 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Dan Wilkinson,

(03-05-2019, 11:32 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Ross, Holman and Trumpy are OVERRATED, if anything; I remember on the mothership, when I was new and fresh, I threw in Tony McGee's name (and the numbers back it up, not to mention he was thrown to by awful/mediocre QBs for his entire career) for best Bengals TE and everyone was creaming their pants over the above three names...

They were all (well, Trumpy not so much) the 3rd or fourth option for the team, so how can they be underrated, when their numbers fall inline with their role?

(03-06-2019, 02:34 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Good pass rush numbers for an interior lineman.  Also played 3-4 DE.  Good career numbers (182 starts 55 sacks),

But a lot of people still think of him as a bust because he did not live up to the hype.

(03-06-2019, 02:04 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: Darnay is exactly who I thought of. Many fans were excited to see what he could do as a #1, but that injury put a stop to that. I thought he did a good job in 2001, but then he was replaced with Westbrook.

(03-06-2019, 02:34 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Good pass rush numbers for an interior lineman.  Also played 3-4 DE.  Good career numbers (182 starts 55 sacks),

But a lot of people still think of him as a bust because he did not live up to the hype.

(03-06-2019, 01:43 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Funny, I was thinking about that injury when I mentioned Darnay. He was supposed to break out as the lead dog that year. Instead we had to watch guys like Ron Dugans and Craig Yeast opposite PDub. I almost forgot about Westbrook. What a disappointment that was.


Justin Smith suffered from the same thing: high expectations. People were expecting 14 sack seasons, and when it didn't happen, they were viewed as busts...even though they were both fantastic players. Early in his career, Wilkinson had some Atkins-like seasons.

(03-06-2019, 02:34 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Good pass rush numbers for an interior lineman.  Also played 3-4 DE.  Good career numbers (182 starts 55 sacks),

But a lot of people still think of him as a bust because he did not live up to the hype.

(03-06-2019, 02:26 PM)impactplaya Wrote: he was a bust Fred. no 2 ways about it.
number 1 overall pick in 1994 Draft.
guys that are drafted #1 overall are expected to be franchise changers and difference makers on the field.
Big Daddy did not impact the Bengals defenae ala Aaron Donald.
he put up good numbers if he was a mid range pick.
I found him to be lazy at times and took plays off.

(03-06-2019, 02:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: All I judge a player by is his production and Wilkinson produced very well.