(05-07-2019, 06:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Uh, no.

4300 yds, 30 tds, 70.4 completion percentage, and 99.7 passer rating.

Cousins was not the problem in Minnesota last year.

(05-07-2019, 07:42 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Ehh...you tell us not to buy into fake news and then tell us that a number of QBs that have been criticized and called to be replaced don't get criticized.  

Flacco got benched/replaced by a guy who can't throw the ball and people are fine with it.  Elway made some comments about Flacco still having what it takes and the media had a field day with it and laughed at Elway's latest QB-blunder.

Stafford gets lots of flack, and he plays for a franchise that has a single playoff win in 60+ years.  His replacement has been discussed about as much as Dalton's, but it comes back to them playing for garbage franchises.  

Multiple fans/experts have said this is a make or break year for Mariotta and Tannehill was brought in to either take the starting spot now or next year if/when they move on from him.

There has been plenty of noise about the Bucs moving on from James Winston, plus the guy was on the bench for Ryan Fitzpatrick this year and I don't recall anyone acting like the Bucs were insane for playing a journeyman QB over him.  Hardly a sign that no one ever talks about him losing his job.

Kirk Cousins looks bad when you factor in the contract and the buzz he generated as a FA, but as Fred pointed out, he's better than you're giving him credit for.  The guy does fall apart in big games and his W/L record versus winning teams is bad AND it's brought up...a lot.  I don't know where you get the idea that people aren't on his arse.

The media doesn't seem too high on Carr, but he is a one-year wonder who throws the ball 3 yards and had one great season and rode it to a big contract.  There was plenty of buzz about Gruden replacing him in the past year or so, including this draft, and again no one acted like replacing Carr is a crazy idea.

Matt Ryan and Cam Newton aren't HOF-ers, but they both made the SB since we had a winning season, so meh...I can see why they'd get more respect than us/Dalton.  WIth that being said, Cam's shoulder is a big concern and they drafted a QB higher than we did and there is buzz that Cam's best days may be gone.  Like Dalton, he's riding on the "hey, remember 2015!?" fumes.

The fact that you think the media loves Jay Cutler just completely blows my mind.


Ida know, man...you cry fake news and then say a bunch of stuff that doesn't really jive with what I've been hearing.  Plus, Dalton hasn't had a winning season in 3 years.  NOt all his fault, but you can't expect a small-market team to get much attention when they are winning 6 games per year.

(05-07-2019, 05:15 PM)jj22 Wrote: I think a playoff win (just one) would work wonders for Daltons reputation. No matter his future with the team, I hope he can get one for his reputation. Since he can't get any respect any other way (and they'll still likely credit the team and ZT if it happens), and blame Dalton on not making the Superbowl. A far more demanding set of hurdles to jump to get respect then many other qb's around the league.

(05-07-2019, 06:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Uh, no.

4300 yds, 30 tds, 70.4 completion percentage, and 99.7 passer rating.

Cousins was not the problem in Minnesota last year.

(05-07-2019, 09:03 PM)jj22 Wrote: Yea, they seem to be more critical of Mariota and Winston, but that's just this past offseason. And they weren't mocking qb's to them. Even with a new HC in Arians. They still got longer leashes then Dalton did.

Cutler I felt like lasted for years without all that much team success. And was always considered the better QB.

Props for going line for line with the qb's.

My only point really is we have a better chance of winning with Dalton still, then some of these media favorites (they wanted us to draft). Because exciting doesn't always translate to winning. So Bengals fans if anything should keep that in mind. It's been 3 years, and that's a long time, but for fans of some of these teams with  "Franchise QB's" 3 bad years out of the last 8 isn't so bad.

The truth is Dalton gets dinged for winning too fast. Spread those 5 playoff appearances out over 8 years and he's still trending up after entering his prime (with QB's playing until 40 now).

(05-07-2019, 10:08 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Winston and Mariota are still on rookie deals, so you don't hear a lot of teams looking to move on unless they get a Johnny Fartball kinda player.  Mariotta and Winston have both been cited as guys their franchises could pass on locking down, though.  

For Cutler, other than being a sourpuss of a guy, the big reason he disappointed was because he was in a high profile rivalry with the Packers and Aaron Rodgers.  Cutler was 2-11 against the Packers, which can be compared to Dalton vs the Steelers.  Yes, there is more that goes into a team vs team matchup, but it's not hard to see why people who don't watch the Bengals and their primary team can be so dismissive of Dalton.

I do see what you mean about spreading those Dalton playoff berths/losses across 8 years rather than the first 5, but still that's just moving stuff around.  I have a buddy who is a Bill fan, maybe I'll ask if he would have felt better if the Bills spread those 4 lost SB's over the span of 10+ years, ha.

At any rate, I don't have anything against Dalton, and I do think he's overly bashed by outsiders.  With that being said, I find some of our defenses of the guy to be a little odd, too.  We are so high on the genius of ZT at the moment, that if 2019 doesn't go very well on offense I could see the fanbase throwing Dalton under the bus first, though.

(05-07-2019, 10:30 PM)jj22 Wrote: I think so too. And would understand. That's why it's a big year for him.

(05-07-2019, 06:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Over the last 4 years Cousins has the 4th most passing yards in the league (17,474) and the 6th highest passer rating (98.1).  Drew Brees is the only QB with a higher completion percentage than Cousins (67.8) during that stretch, and only 3 QBs (Brady, Brees, Wilson) have accounted for more tds (rush + pass) than Cousin's 125.

Kirk has elite QB production that dwarves anything Andy has ever done.

(05-07-2019, 08:46 PM)jason Wrote: So... What's your name?

(05-07-2019, 08:46 PM)jason Wrote: So... What's your name?

(05-07-2019, 10:08 PM)Nately120 Wrote: At any rate, I don't have anything against Dalton, and I do think he's overly bashed by outsiders.  With that being said, I find some of our defenses of the guy to be a little odd, too.  We are so high on the genius of ZT at the moment, that if 2019 doesn't go very well on offense I could see the fanbase throwing Dalton under the bus first, though.

(05-07-2019, 08:47 PM)jj22 Wrote: He's the QB and he couldn't only dream to have lead his team to (a Marvin Lewis lead team at that!) 5 consecutive playoff runs. Maybe it'll come but it hasn't yet.

Intangibles. Somethings missing with him. Maybe his stats will keep him around the league long, but winning is what counts. Stafford has the stats, many of the qb's have better stats, but if your team is winning (mostly, although the last 3 years has been rough). Then that's the only stat that matters.

Would you take "Franchise QB" stats (Stafford, Bradford, Cutler, Flacco etc) and sacrifice the wins?

We had one in Palmer and what did that get us.

Stat's impress the media and that's why they turn a blind eye to the lack of team success for these qb's, but winning should be what fans want.

Stafford is the one that had me wondering why the media's mind was so made up about Dalton. Why weren't they mocking qb's to Detroit? Why has he got such a long leash with them. I used to think the same about Bradford and Cutler.

People would argue they were better than Dalton. But if their teams couldn't consistently win.... Then you take the QB who can.

(05-07-2019, 05:05 PM)jj22 Wrote: Joe Flacco. Ok. He's got the ring and the mega playoff run. But I'd take Dalton over him (as many of us probably would given what we've seen from Flacco over the last 5 years. However, I don't think the MSM considers him the better QB. He is.

(05-08-2019, 09:15 AM)muskiesfan Wrote: I live in Mariota country and while the media may be talking about the Titans need to move on from him, the fans certainly don't agree. On the sports talk radio and listening to fans, Mariota is potentially the second coming. It's not his fault he gets injured so much, they need to improve the OLine. It's not his fault that his numbers aren't great, they won't give him top notch receivers. Plus, how can he be expected to put up huge numbers when he's always injured and can't play. Also, all of the injuries are just proof of how tough he is and how he's a throwback type of player who has grit. They also do not mind that he's going to make $20.9 million this season.

That's no joke. I look at the guy and think they're way overpaying and should move on. In the Nashville area, they absolutely worship this guy. They believe he's easily a top 10 NFL QB. It's crazy. What's even funnier is there are people on this message board who have ranked Mariota higher than Dalton. Mariota is a good person, but I have no idea how he's built up the following and support he has. They'd absolutely lose their shit around here is he put up numbers like Dalton. They'd erect statues and rename the state after him.

(05-08-2019, 09:33 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: Winning doesn’t fall solely on the QB, what a stupid way to gauge a QB. Football is the ultimate team sport and you need a well rounded team to get wins. Dalton has had that for the majority of his career (again, from 2013-2015, the Bengals had one of the, if not THE, most talented roster from top to bottom.) Some of Dalton’s talent has left and the Bengals haven’t won more than 7 games for the past three years straight, but you’re going to come in saying “pick the QB who can win”?

The vast majority of QBs on that list are well ahead of Dalton. Stafford, Ryan and Cam are all top 10 QBs with Kirk on the borderline. I like Dalton but Insure hope you aren’t trying to put him up there with Ryan or Cam, because that is laughable.

(05-07-2019, 11:46 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The coaches made Andy throw like 37 ints and fumble 48 times in the playoffs? Ok lol

You can certainly say the teams were never properly prepared, and that Marvin was constantly out-coached, but c’mon...Andy has been AWFUL in the playoffs let’s not let him off the hook that easily.