(09-16-2019, 02:46 PM)fortyyearfan Wrote: Preston Brown is SLOW AND does not help much,and Gio Benard is not the answer for a rb,please play the big dude they just brought in that played at Oklahoma,He is a stud,but yet just like old marvin lewis,ZT runs little Gio out there and he cannot get a first down behind this horrible line that is just as bad as last year.I still say we are cursed.How can you look at it any other way ??? :paul: :paul: :paul: :paul:

(09-17-2019, 12:22 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: They run the same defense as the 49ers (4-3 under -3-4 under) but we don't value LB. the 49ers do, the Seahawks do, the Cowboys do, the Bears do. All these defenses value speed at that position except for the Bengals. Why is that? Seriously wonder if the front office asked Lou what his plan for Defense was?

(09-17-2019, 01:13 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: We signed too many ex-Dolphins and Giants for the DC and HC to not have been consulted on moves.

Looking at the draft, after the 1st Round...it was pretty weak for LB's.

(09-16-2019, 09:43 AM)corpjet Wrote: DEFENSE has no leader and thatsour true problem.

No heart and soul guy, leading the defense, no one to get into a players face, no one busting his tail every down with unmatched energy.

Until we get a true leader on defense we will see more of the sloppiness and don't care attitude that was on full display Sunday!

(09-17-2019, 01:38 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: Blake Cashman,  Ulyesess Gilbert , and Ben Kur kirven are just a couple that stood out in the draft process. The biggest problem is they don't value the position at all. Just like guard on offense. 

As for the Bengals signing Dolphins and Giant's I have no problem with that Coaches tend to sign guys they are familiar with. To me the puzzling thing was we hardly signed any of them? 

I think it's clear that it's dukes team and he clearly has an destructive ego. 

(09-17-2019, 01:48 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I doubt they'd be playing any of those guys over Brown or Vigil. Not saying those guys aren't good though.

As much as people criticized Marvin, coaches like playing veterans over non-1st Round picks year 1.

Why not try Pratt more?

(09-17-2019, 01:46 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: The most talented guy out there playing 100% effort in 100% of the plays is Hubbard.  It's only his second season but I would be all for seeing him become more vocal.  That guy took the offseason seriously.  And if the rest of the team played with his passion, we wouldn't be 0-2.

(09-17-2019, 03:05 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: I'm afraid it has to do with $ $ and nothing elese. Hopefully they will cut Brown in the off-season but as we know that's not how the Bengals do business.

(09-17-2019, 03:08 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think some of it is mis-evaluation of what we need. The NFL has changed, but we still get slow, plodding LB's to stop Bettis.

Maybe it wasn't Lewis? Maybe it was Tobin, Mike Brown, etc?

(09-17-2019, 01:46 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: The most talented guy out there playing 100% effort in 100% of the plays is Hubbard.  It's only his second season but I would be all for seeing him become more vocal.  That guy took the offseason seriously.  And if the rest of the team played with his passion, we wouldn't be 0-2.

(09-17-2019, 12:01 PM)John Shaft Wrote: True. I agree. The Offense has no leader either. Some say the qb who bungles hand offs deep in his own territory on the second play of a home game is the leader. They are nuts.Nick Vigil ain't no Jim LeClair.

(09-17-2019, 04:15 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: I'm Lewis guy and I think( I don't have any facts or inside knowledge to back this up so take it for what's it worth) the real problem at the end of his tenure here was the front office and him grew apart. Especially him and Duke. The loss of Whit pissed Marvin off so much that he told Collinsworth that he wanted to retire then and there.
Mike only surrounds himself with yes men and Duke seems to be another puppet of his.

(09-17-2019, 10:38 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: You may be right. Don't forget how botched the Whitworth thing was. They were walking around the combine and telling other teams that it was a lock Whitworth was coming back. Then, the Rams swooped in.

(09-17-2019, 10:38 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: You may be right. Don't forget how botched the Whitworth thing was. They were walking around the combine and telling other teams that it was a lock Whitworth was coming back. Then, the Rams swooped in.