(10-07-2019, 12:58 PM)fredtoast Wrote: That is just not true.  Period.

According to Profootballoutsiders last year Dalton's DVOA under pressure was -49.9.  That ranked 11th best out of the 34 QBs with at least 200 pass attempts.  PFO goes one step farther and looks at the difference between QBs DVOA with pressure and without.  Dalton had the 12th lowest difference.  So he is effected by pressure less than most QBs in the league.


All of these claims that Dalton sucks so bad under pressure and that so many other QBs do better is just BS.  It come from obsessing on every mistake Dalton makes and ignoring every good play he makes. 

(10-07-2019, 01:46 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I've been a Dalton supporter since he was drafted and have always pulled for him to become a top tier QB. We're now in year 9 and it still hasn't happened. With the exception of 2015, he's never had an elite type season. I mean, he it what he is at this point. Although he is capable of having an awesome performance at times, he still has many of the same flaws and shortcomings that he had early in his career. 

Andy is capable of being a winning NFL QB in the right circumstance. After 9 years, I don't think we should wait around for that circumstance to be here again. The team is able to part ways with Andy after this season and I think they should. I think it would be best for them and for Andy. Keeping him around at this point, sort of feels like forcing a situation to continue when it really doesn't need to and probably isn't best for either side. 

I'm not saying you bench Andy right now, but if they continue to look bad and lose games over the next 4-6 weeks, I think you have to start taking a serious look a Finley to see what you have in him, so that so that you're not going into the offseason not knowing how he looks against NFL competition in a starting role. 

(10-07-2019, 01:52 PM)Wyche Wrote: I honestly think a lot of people don't watch the other games, just highlights. I see QBs all over the league making some similar mistakes. The issue here is that a lot of the time no one picks up the slack to overcome the obstacles. I'd also say Andy can't overcome obstacles on his own a lot of the time.

That said, I think it's time to move on for all parties involved. I just hope we find a QB that's at least as good, or it could be a long uphill climb for this team.

(10-07-2019, 11:28 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Right on !

Dalton can not even slightly elevate this team. Rarely, very rarely does he do QB stuff and extend plays and get it done. Like you say if he gets shoved off his spot the play is over.

(10-07-2019, 01:13 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: You’ve made your Dalton hate clear — and we get it.  

Anyway, replacing Andy Dalton won’t be easy.  [Without a vastly improved offensive line and better play calling, any Cincinnati quarterback would be a sitting duck.  We could put Eli Manning back there and SPLAT!  We would see the same result.

Andy Dalton doesn’t suck but we need to be realistic moving forward.  I don’t see him staying in Cincinnati past this season but he would be great in a place like Minnesota or Oakland.  Let’s give the next quarterback in Cincinnati the weapons up front so he doesn’t look like a driver’s side airbag on impact.

(10-07-2019, 02:09 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: totally daltons fault the defense couldn't stop the cardinals on sunday...

(10-07-2019, 04:30 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: It is Dalton's fault that he missed a five yard wide open pass to Eifert in the end zone.

(10-07-2019, 04:30 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: It is Dalton's fault that he missed a five yard wide open pass to Eifert in the end zone.

(10-07-2019, 04:34 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes.  Dalton made mistakes, but it is ridiculous to blame everything on Dalton's mistakes and claim all the mistakes by the rest of the team don't matter.

And it is ridiculous to act like no other QB in the league ever misses on a pass.

(10-07-2019, 04:36 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Last week against the Bills, Tom Brady started the game 4 for 10. I couldn't believe it since he's the greatest QB in NFL history. There's no way he should throw incomplete passes!

(10-07-2019, 05:10 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: THE DALTON GANG RIDES AGAIN!!!!! No matter how many times or how many future HOF qbs you and the rest of your gang compare him to he is and will always be a middle of the road, under achieving, not ready for prime time player.

(10-07-2019, 12:39 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Dalton sucks. 

He needs to be replaced.

(10-07-2019, 01:52 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: I honestly think a lot of people don't watch the other games, just highlights. I see QBs all over the league making some similar mistakes. The issue here is that a lot of the time no one picks up the slack to overcome the obstacles. I'd also say Andy can't overcome obstacles on his own a lot of the time.

That said, I think it's time to move on for all parties involved. I just hope we find a QB that's at least as good, or it could be a long uphill climb for this team.

(10-07-2019, 02:09 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: totally daltons fault the defense couldn't stop the cardinals on sunday...

(10-07-2019, 05:49 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: AJ has been doing it for years. Without his circus catches and freak athleticism, Dalton does not have what little success he’s had.

(10-07-2019, 05:52 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Did the defense miss a wide open Tyler Eifert for a TD?

(10-07-2019, 05:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Dalton had a Pro Bowl season in '16 when Green just played 9 games.

(10-07-2019, 06:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is absurd to claim that no other QB ever throws a bad pass.

(10-07-2019, 06:36 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Who would ever do something that stupid? 

Why do you like strawman arguments so much?