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RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - kdgjr - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:44 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Burrow is 23 now. I think you play him next year. This is a 1-13 team. We know what Andy can do.
Burrow is the future. Time to play him.
Yeah, but it could get him killed.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - Nicomo Cosca - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:42 PM)kdgjr Wrote: Since Andy is under contract for another year, if we get Burrow, what are the chances he sits for a season like we did with Palmer? Pros? Cons?
Get Andy Dalton as far away from Joe Burrow as possible. Unless he wants to talk to him about the importance of charity I don’t want Burrow learning anything from Dalton.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - t3r3e3 - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:32 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: At this point, we need impact players. We have to roll the dice with Burrow. A great QB is the only chance this franchise has to win with this management/coaching staff.
That said, there's atleast some risk to Burrow as he kind of came from nowhere to do this all.
This garbage o-line will get Burrow Carr’ed/Couch’ed. The only guys that merit a spot at this point are Jonah and maaaybe Hopkins. The rest are replaceable and/or need to be challenged for their spot. Failure to address the line in a meaningful fashion and starting scrubs will torpedo next year as surely as a scrub LB corps will.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - THE PISTONS - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:48 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: This garbage o-line will get Burrow Carr’ed/Couch’ed. The only guys that merit a spot at this point are Jonah and maaaybe Hopkins. The rest are replaceable and/or need to be challenged for their spot. Failure to address the line in a meaningful fashion and starting scrubs will torpedo next year as surely as a scrub LB corps will.
Right on. Generally when you hire a new coaching staff, you bring in some upgrades. The Bengals whiffed last year.
They kind of get a chance to reset that this offseason with Burrow. They have a chance to go out and bring in a quality lineman or 2. We'll see if they do.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - Nicomo Cosca - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:46 PM)kdgjr Wrote: Yeah, but it could get him killed.
Have you even been watching the games? The OL has been playing fine lately. The narrative that Andy Dalton is some iron man and no other QB would survive behind our OL is beyond stupid. Last time I checked Finley was still alive. He sucks, but he’s still alive...
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - Nicomo Cosca - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:48 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: This garbage o-line will get Burrow Carr’ed/Couch’ed. The only guys that merit a spot at this point are Jonah and maaaybe Hopkins. The rest are replaceable and/or need to be challenged for their spot. Failure to address the line in a meaningful fashion and starting scrubs will torpedo next year as surely as a scrub LB corps will.
Again, are you even watching the games? They’re keeping Andy perfectly clean, and are mauling people in the run game.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - THE PISTONS - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:46 PM)kdgjr Wrote: Yeah, but it could get him killed.
That's the thing. He's doing some great things in college, but he's surrounded by a great team. Here...he'll have one of the worst rosters in the NFL around him.
That's a HUGE difference.
But, you don't sit him out until the roster is ready.
IF you can trade Andy for a 2nd round pick...which I'm skeptical of...but people have said...you do it.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - Awful Llama - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:44 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Burrow is 23 now. I think you play him next year. This is a 1-13 team. We know what Andy can do.
Burrow is the future. Time to play him.
And, they need to put butts in the seats next year. If Andy starts and continues playing in 2020 with Burrow riding the pine, l reckon we'll soon be looking back fondly on the days when the announced attendance was 39k.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - Luvnit2 - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:46 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Get Andy Dalton as far away from Joe Burrow as possible. Unless he wants to talk to him about the importance of charity I don’t want Burrow learning anything from Dalton.
Your butt crack is showing again and it is not pretty.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - JWW1971 - 12-15-2019
There is NO way that we trade back out of the 1st pick, that would really finish a hell of a lot of our fans with the team.
The O-line have been ok in the last few games, the problem is Dalton just cant help throwing interceptions
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - THE PISTONS - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:56 PM)Awful Llama Wrote: And, they need to put butts in the seats next year. If Andy starts and continues playing in 2020 with Burrow riding the pine, l reckon we'll soon be looking back fondly on the days when the announced attendance was 39k.
Indeed. I can't think of a good reason to start Dalton next year...unless we're tanking again.
Honestly, with how we don't sign free agents...we need to get our high picks on the field in Year 1.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - THE PISTONS - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 08:02 PM)JWW1971 Wrote: There is NO way that we trade back out of the 1st pick, that would really finish a hell of a lot of our fans with the team.
The O-line have been ok in the last few games, the problem is Dalton just cant help throwing interceptions
I think people see our roster and the needs we have and the allure of multiple picks is enticing to them...but this team would screw up multiple picks.
Like say we could trade back to 5, take Herbert or Tua, get a 1st next year and a 2nd this year. That seems enticing, doesn't it? But, that would entail us scouting Tua and Herbert and being right on them. Burrow is kind of the no brainer.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - bfine32 - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:30 PM)Sensei Wrote: Of the Bengals win out and the the Giants for the same record, who gets the first pick?
Any idea what the tie breaker is?
Strength of schedule and the Giants would pick first
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - t3r3e3 - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:53 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Again, are you even watching the games? They’re keeping Andy perfectly clean, and are mauling people in the run game.
A couple of games do not a season make. 3/5 of this line are replacement level talent. Both guards and the RT warrant upgrades. If you’re going to burn a #1 overall pick on a QB you better protect him. Failing to do so leads to predictable results. Conversely, not trading Dalton at the deadline has proven to be a big mistake as he’s not improving his trade value. At this point they might get a 3rd for him.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - Nicomo Cosca - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 08:08 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: A couple of games do not a season make. 3/5 of this line are replacement level talent. Both guards and the RT warrant upgrades. If you’re going to burn a #1 overall pick on a QB you better protect him. Failing to do so leads to predictable results. Conversely, not trading Dalton at the deadline has proven to be a big mistake as he’s not improving his trade value. At this point they might get a 3rd for him.
No one is saying we shouldn’t upgrade the OL, but they’re not playing bad at all recently. The “QB X will get killed” nonsense needs to stop.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - Nicomo Cosca - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 08:00 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Your butt crack is showing again and it is not pretty.
It’s alright guy, you can keep your Dalton posters up. Just remember the good times!
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - Nicomo Cosca - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:55 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: That's the thing. He's doing some great things in college, but he's surrounded by a great team. Here...he'll have one of the worst rosters in the NFL around him.
That's a HUGE difference.
But, you don't sit him out until the roster is ready.
IF you can trade Andy for a 2nd round pick...which I'm skeptical of...but people have said...you do it.
The LSU OL is really not that great.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - CincinnatiKid - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 06:33 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: What I want:
Lose to Miami next week.
CRUSH Cleveland in week 17 after the #1 pick is locked up.
I might even consider going to the Brown game just to see that scenario play out
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - bfine32 - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 07:46 PM)kdgjr Wrote: Yeah, but it could get him killed.
It's over, just stop it; Andy has been protected just fine.
The Army has put up a good fight, but there's really only one reason Andy is not very good. Some have realized this for the last few years.
RE: 1st pick overall in better shape - THE PISTONS - 12-15-2019
(12-15-2019, 08:14 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The LSU OL is really not that great.
There's apparently an award for the best offensive lines in college football and they are one of the finalists:
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_32e14b96-0aff-11ea-ba6f-8be5a3906183.html