(09-21-2020, 02:03 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I can already see Taylor getting a pass for this season though. The pandemic, rookie QB, injuries, etc.

I will be absolutely SHOCKED if they fire him this offseason.

(09-21-2020, 02:03 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I can already see Taylor getting a pass for this season though. The pandemic, rookie QB, injuries, etc.

I will be absolutely SHOCKED if they fire him this offseason.

(09-21-2020, 02:17 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I don't disagree with you.  It would be definitely out of character for this front office to cut bait so soon.

That said, if they or anyone else tries to roll out the pandemic or injury excuse, I hope it falls on mostly deaf ears.

Every team is dealing with the pandemic.  In fact, as far as opt outs are concerned, we couldn't be doing any better.  Look at a team like the Patriots. 

And as far as injuries are concerned, all in all, I think we're in pretty good shape.  There's definitely a lot of teams that have it much worse in that department.

(09-21-2020, 01:05 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I think it's very doubtful we'd see this level of compensation for AJ if he walks.

I could be totally wrong, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but this how I understand the system.

1.) To even be eligible for compensatory picks, you have to lose more UFA's than you sign. (We'd need more guys to walk than what we sign)

2.) For AJ to be given a 3rd round value, he's have sign a deal that pays him an average salary that falls near the top of his position group. (I'm not sure of the %, or if it's all receivers or just those in FA class)

As it stand right now, I think any players we sign we'll probably cancel out those we let walk in terms of compensatory value.

And even if I'm wong on the above, I'm guessing AJ gets no more than 9 mil on the open market, unless he completely balls out.  As it stand right now, he's looking like a 3-6 mil dollar rental to me.

Like I said, I could be totally wrong on all this.  But I'd be shocked if we got a 3rd for AJ by letting him hit FA.

(09-21-2020, 11:33 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I know we've had a lot of different talk about who we might move on from after the season. Who we could possible trade, who we could possibly cut, who we let walk etc.  I thought I'd simply list out a group a players that I think have the best possibility of not returning in 2021.  

I figured it would be nice to have a single thread where could discuss and debate who may stay and who may go as the season goes on.

Here is the list of guys I've come up with.  I'll list the player, followed by the 2021 cap savings, followed by possible type of departure.

(Note: I'm not saying all, or even most will be gone. Only that these are the most likely candidates.)

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--- AJ Green ------- 18.17 mil (Not resigned, money comes off books)

--- John Ross ------- 5.45 mil (Not resigned, money comes off books)

--- William Jackson - 9.95 mil (Not resigned, money comes off books)

--- Alex Erickson ---- 2.06 mil (Not resigned, money comes off books)

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--- Carlos Dunlap -- 11.25 mil (Traded or released) *** Going into final year

--- Geno Atkins -----  9.60 mil (Traded or released) *** Two years left

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--- Bobby Hart ------- 5.90 mil (Released) *** Going into final year

--- CJ Uzomah -------  5.25 mil (Released) *** Going into final year

--- Gio Bernard ------- 4.10 mil (Released) *** Going into final year

--- Billy Price --------- 2.08 mil (Released) *** Going into final year

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Note: There's a lot of additional 2021 free agents which can be found here: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cincinnati-bengals/

I just listed the ones who I think deserve the most discussion.  Feel free to add or discuss any you'd like.

I hope some may find this thread interesting or helpful.  I think it shows how and where we can shed salary.  I'm hoping it serves as a decent discussion piece about how we might best go about in doing that.

(09-21-2020, 09:18 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I keep WJ3 and Alexander from this list. I like Uzi but I torn Achilles can be tough for recovery. I think use the rest to improve defense and WRs.

(09-21-2020, 11:33 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I know we've had a lot of different talk about who we might move on from after the season. Who we could possible trade, who we could possibly cut, who we let walk etc.  I thought I'd simply list out a group a players that I think have the best possibility of not returning in 2021.  

I figured it would be nice to have a single thread where could discuss and debate who may stay and who may go as the season goes on.

Here is the list of guys I've come up with.  I'll list the player, followed by the 2021 cap savings, followed by possible type of departure.

(Note: I'm not saying all, or even most will be gone. Only that these are the most likely candidates.)

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--- AJ Green ------- 18.17 mil (Not resigned, money comes off books)

--- John Ross ------- 5.45 mil (Not resigned, money comes off books)

--- William Jackson - 9.95 mil (Not resigned, money comes off books)

--- Alex Erickson ---- 2.06 mil (Not resigned, money comes off books)

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--- Carlos Dunlap -- 11.25 mil (Traded or released) *** Going into final year

--- Geno Atkins -----  9.60 mil (Traded or released) *** Two years left

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--- Bobby Hart ------- 5.90 mil (Released) *** Going into final year

--- CJ Uzomah -------  5.25 mil (Released) *** Going into final year

--- Gio Bernard ------- 4.10 mil (Released) *** Going into final year

--- Billy Price --------- 2.08 mil (Released) *** Going into final year

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Note: There's a lot of additional 2021 free agents which can be found here: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cincinnati-bengals/

I just listed the ones who I think deserve the most discussion.  Feel free to add or discuss any you'd like.

I hope some may find this thread interesting or helpful.  I think it shows how and where we can shed salary.  I'm hoping it serves as a decent discussion piece about how we might best go about in doing that.

(09-21-2020, 01:51 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Simple.  Remove the problem.

Bienemy 2021! :andy:

(09-22-2020, 08:33 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Of that list, I would only really argue that you should keep WJIII and Gio. 

(09-21-2020, 01:51 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Simple.  Remove the problem.

Bienemy 2021! :andy:

(09-21-2020, 02:15 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: This coming week should give more insight as to how good Cincinnati is. The Eagles look like a bad football team. If they come out and lose to Philly, then I am suspecting we are looking at a Top 5 pick (I think we are Top 10 regardless, the question is how bad are we?) We will have some interesting options there with the money that would be opened up by this.

-Improve the line via FA and draft someone like Ja'Marr Chase?
-Improve the defense via FA and draft Penei Sewell?
-Improve both of the lines via FA and trade the pick for more value (dependent on exact pick)?

Cincinnati will have the opportunity to really lay the foundation for the next five years, and it will be very important. I think that we will see some new coaches come in this off-season.

(09-22-2020, 12:27 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Good thread btw! I would go ape shit (happy) if we were to hire EB. Zac obviously has great charisma and says all of the right things, but he doesn't seem to understand how to implement them.

(09-22-2020, 12:13 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I gotta ask, why are you in favor of keeping Gio?

Fwiw, I really like Gio as a player, and even more as a person, but it's clear we're not getting near the return on the investment.  If we're not going to use him, why not free up 4.1 million dollars?

FYI:  Gio is currently the 22nd highest paid running back in the league.  Here's are his position ranks by year these last 3 years:

2020
Rushing Yards - 79th
Rushing TD's - NR (0)
Receiving Yards - 23rd
Receiving TD's - NR (0)

2019
Rushing Yards - 70th
Rushing TD's - NR (0)
Receiving Yards - 34th
Receing TD's - NR (0)

2018
Rushing Yards - 70th
Rushing TD - 42nd
Receiving Yards -31st
Receiving TD's - NR (0)

I can't bring up combined stats for these (or at least I don't know how to) but I'm guessing his total yards for the postion would rank well outside the top 50 for each season.  And I think his total TD's would follow suit, ranking incredibly low for this timespan.

The man hasn't even scored a TD since Sept. 30th 2018.  He's now gone all most 2 full seasons without finding the endzone.

I just don't know how the Bengals can justify paying him 5.7 mil next season when he's good for about 400 yards of total offense a year.  Why not take the 4+ mil in savings and invest elsewhere?

(09-21-2020, 02:17 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I don't disagree with you.  It would be definitely out of character for this front office to cut bait so soon.

That said, if they or anyone else tries to roll out the pandemic or injury excuse, I hope it falls on mostly deaf ears.

Every team is dealing with the pandemic.  In fact, as far as opt outs are concerned, we couldn't be doing any better.  Look at a team like the Patriots. 

And as far as injuries are concerned, all in all, I think we're in pretty good shape.  There's definitely a lot of teams that have it much worse in that department.