(10-19-2020, 01:57 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I am too mature to let a coaches incompetence become a personal issue.

He may suck as a coach, but I don't have any opinion on him personally.

If anyone here was competent to coach at the NFL level I am sure they would be doing it.  What I generally see is a bunch of fans who are brilliant when given the gift of hindsight.  They brag about what great decisions they would have made in the draft, but never mention all the bust that they also wanted.  They talk about what trades they would have made even though they have no idea if another team was willing to take the deal.  they talk about what great players they would have signed in free agency without knowing if the player was even interested in coming here.  And, again, they never mention all the guys they wanted to sign who ended up being busts.  They always know what play would have worked when one Zac calls fails, but for some reason I have NEVER seen a single one of them complain about a play that worked and brag about what they would have done instead.  They complain about giving contracts to older players but they also complain when we DON'T give contracts to older players that they wanted to keep.
They always want to bench the starters because the players on the bench are better, but when the guys that were on the bench suck they complain about them also.

The fact is that it is very hard to win in the NFL.  Every year about half of the teams have a losing record.  There are a LOT more coaches and GMs that get a chance and fail than succeed.  Since coaching jobs in the NFL depend on winning I am pretty sure all the head coaches try as hard as they can to win and play the guys they think will help them win.  Just because they make wrong decisions does not mean they are bad people that I should hate on a personal level.  I think it is childish to do that.

(10-19-2020, 01:57 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I am too mature to let a coaches incompetence become a personal issue.

He may suck as a coach, but I don't have any opinion on him personally.

If anyone here was competent to coach at the NFL level I am sure they would be doing it.  What I generally see is a bunch of fans who are brilliant when given the gift of hindsight.  They brag about what great decisions they would have made in the draft, but never mention all the bust that they also wanted.  They talk about what trades they would have made even though they have no idea if another team was willing to take the deal.  they talk about what great players they would have signed in free agency without knowing if the player was even interested in coming here.  And, again, they never mention all the guys they wanted to sign who ended up being busts.  They always know what play would have worked when one Zac calls fails, but for some reason I have NEVER seen a single one of them complain about a play that worked and brag about what they would have done instead.  They complain about giving contracts to older players but they also complain when we DON'T give contracts to older players that they wanted to keep.
They always want to bench the starters because the players on the bench are better, but when the guys that were on the bench suck they complain about them also.

The fact is that it is very hard to win in the NFL.  Every year about half of the teams have a losing record.  There are a LOT more coaches and GMs that get a chance and fail than succeed.  Since coaching jobs in the NFL depend on winning I am pretty sure all the head coaches try as hard as they can to win and play the guys they think will help them win.  Just because they make wrong decisions does not mean they are bad people that I should hate on a personal level.  I think it is childish to do that.

(10-19-2020, 02:05 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'll admit ZT is a better NFL HC than I would be.  With that being said, with this logic a man would have to sell a billion records before he can scoff at Justin Bieber, so ehh.

ZT isn't competing with us, he's competing with the rest of the NFL's head coaches and he's not hanging with them.

(10-19-2020, 02:33 PM)muskiesfan Wrote:  Taylor isn't doing anything to make the team better, he's defending bum coaches, he's defending bum players, and it's getting really old really fast.

(10-19-2020, 02:40 PM)impactplaya Wrote: It's not hard to.win

(10-19-2020, 01:58 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: It’s unearned confidence.

He tells us every week, don’t worry I have a plan, we’re building a winning culture, blah blah blah. Problem is, there is nothing in his history before the Bengals or during his time here that suggests he has any ability to do any of the things required to rebuild and run an NFL team.

(10-19-2020, 04:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't think you will find posts from me supporting Taylor.  I say we need to give him the rest of the season, but I have seen nothing so far that makes me want him back next year.

I was not that impressed when we first hired him and everyone accused me of "defending Marvin".  But even then I was willing to give him a fair chance.  I was actually more concerned about the staff he brought in than Zac himself.

My main point is that I don't make it personal.  If he is not a good coach that does not mean that I have to dislike him on a personal level.  

(10-19-2020, 12:49 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Lets see throws established veterans under the bus, Doesnt play best personnel, wastes timeouts, Goes for moral victories to avoid shutouts, 3rd and 1 might as well be 3rd and 15, Doesn't use QB sneak nearly enough when you have perfect QB to run it, Shows no faith in young QB by kicking fieldgoals on 4th and 1, Dooesnt win road games, obviously not coaching on prevent defense. Anyone want to add be my guest

(10-19-2020, 04:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't think you will find posts from me supporting Taylor.  I say we need to give him the rest of the season, but I have seen nothing so far that makes me want him back next year.

I was not that impressed when we first hired him and everyone accused me of "defending Marvin".  But even then I was willing to give him a fair chance.  I was actually more concerned about the staff he brought in than Zac himself.

My main point is that I don't make it personal.  If he is not a good coach that does not mean that I have to dislike him on a personal level.  

(10-19-2020, 06:35 PM)JSR18 Wrote: Why give him the rest of the season? Do you see him becoming a better play-caller? Do you see him figuring out how to not be out coached?

(10-19-2020, 06:35 PM)JSR18 Wrote: Why not appoint an interim (Simmons) and start evaluating what it going to take to get better (all over) for next year..

(10-19-2020, 06:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Everyone complains about his play calling, but their only gripe seems to be that the plays don't work.

(10-19-2020, 06:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I saw him fix the run game in the middle of last season.

(10-19-2020, 06:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I saw him fix the run game in the middle of last season.   Agreed.

I just think you have to give a first time head coach at least 2 full seasons.  Only if there is an upward trend, but there isn't

Everyone complains about his play calling, but their only gripe seems to be that the plays don't work.  So is the problem really play calling or is it lack of talent.  If it is lack of talent there is not  alot play calling can do to fix that.   Evaluating player talent is what I meant, should've made it plainer.



How exactly does an interim coach evaluate anything more than Zac can?  Interim coach (Simmons) with odds being made HC at season's end could be a better talent evaluator simply because he's been at it longer in the NFL, but also being a Special Teams Coordinator he used to evaluating All players for his Special Teams.

We can't bring in a whole new staff midseason, and I don't see any great offensive or defensive minds on our current staff.  I would not mind letting Simmons get a shot a HC, but only if he brings in a new DC and OC and there is no one available on the street to fill those roles right now.  Agreed. Simmons HC. Hue as OC and Kerry Coombs as DC.