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RE: NFL passing efficiency - - Rubekahn29 - 12-09-2020 Let's also not forget that our WR have the least separation of any in the NFL, or at least one point this year. I can't remember the exact number, just that it was worst in NFL. Our WR are slow and cannot get open. So context is important. Burrow def needs to improve, but a rookie around average with no training camp/pre season, and no time to throw, and receivers that are always blanketed all impact that. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - ochocincos - 12-09-2020 (12-09-2020, 11:25 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Indeed. His most impressive attribute to me, aside from mid-range throws was not throwing ints. I notice quite a bit of pressure coming from the edge defenders crashing inside. When looking at the replays, I most often see the OTs disengaging at that point, seemingly expecting the OG to take over the zone block. But instead, the OG is engaged with someone else, and the defender is right through. This screams confusion and/or miscommunication. While I've never played OL, from what I've learned, zone blocking is more confusing than man blocking. I get the impression these OL guys are often blocking the wrong person in situations like that. My thought is while there still might also be issues with it, would it make sense to change to a man power blocking scheme such that each OL can fixate on a guy and go? RE: NFL passing efficiency - - THE PISTONS - 12-09-2020 (12-09-2020, 11:33 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I notice quite a bit of pressure coming from the edge defenders crashing inside. Yeah and doesn't that line up with the Elise Jesse article on the coaches where they aren't coaching technique and communicating? Zac has been a pretty stout supporter of Turner and the line though. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - ochocincos - 12-09-2020 (12-09-2020, 11:27 AM)Rubekahn29 Wrote: Let's also not forget that our WR have the least separation of any in the NFL, or at least one point this year. I can't remember the exact number, just that it was worst in NFL. Our WR are slow and cannot get open. So context is important. Burrow def needs to improve, but a rookie around average with no training camp/pre season, and no time to throw, and receivers that are always blanketed all impact that. They do not get much separation, it's true. While each receiver has talent in different ways, most are not considered speedy. According to https://www.playerprofiler.com/ here is the average separation for our 5 main receivers: Tee Higgins - 1.20 yards Tyler Boyd - 1.20 yards AJ Green - 1.16 yards (Was 1.17 in 2018) Auden Tate - 1.00 yards Drew Sample - 1.67 yards For some comparisons with some high-profile receivers on other teams: Davante Adams - 2.14 yards Tyreek Hill - 1.98 yards DeAndre Hopkins - 1.88 yards Darren Waller - 1.80 yards Travis Kelce - 1.73 yards Justin Jefferson - 1.66 yards DK Metcalf - 1.51 yards Keenan Allen - 1.28 yards Part of this is almost assuredly the OL not being able to block long enough for routes to develop, but it's also that the receivers are not able to get separation quickly enough due to lack of shiftiness/speed. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - ochocincos - 12-09-2020 (12-09-2020, 11:54 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yeah and doesn't that line up with the Elise Jesse article on the coaches where they aren't coaching technique and communicating? If I wanted to try to defend Turner, Anarumo, and Taylor, I might say that the schemes look great on paper. But they could be very difficult to execute, at least with the players they have. As such, the argument they could make is if they got better players, their schemes would work better. And that may technically be true, but you have the players you have, and quite a few of them look to make mistakes a lot. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - Rubekahn29 - 12-09-2020 (12-09-2020, 11:56 AM)ochocincos Wrote: They do not get much separation, it's true. I think Tee and Boyd are excellent pillars, but we need more speed, but like you said, the line could help, and I do believe ZTs scheme plays a factor. I hardly every see any creativity to get people open. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - ochocincos - 12-09-2020 (12-09-2020, 11:59 AM)Rubekahn29 Wrote: I think Tee and Boyd are excellent pillars, but we need more speed, but like you said, the line could help, and I do believe ZTs scheme plays a factor. I hardly every see any creativity to get people open. Yea it's worth pointing out that Adams, Hopkins, and Kelce are not very fast (all 4.55+ 40 time), but they find ways to get good separation. Specific play calls, crisp route running, footwork, etc. all playing into how they are getting their separation. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - ochocincos - 12-09-2020 (12-09-2020, 11:54 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yeah and doesn't that line up with the Elise Jesse article on the coaches where they aren't coaching technique and communicating? I would say the communication is a two-way street. It is (or should be) pretty clear when two OL go on different assignments and allow a rusher to get right by them, that they need to talk to each other to see what went wrong. Part of the responsibility falls on the OL coach to review that tape and talk it out with the players to help them get it right moving forward, but the players are responsible for asking what they might be doing wrong so that they can improve. In regards to technique, the biggest issues I've seen with OL don't seem to be technique-related. They seem to be assignment-related. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - SHRacerX - 12-09-2020 (12-08-2020, 11:48 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: So we added Joe Burrow and just got marginally better in passing efficiency. Am I the only one that found it funny that the Eagle logo looks like it is looking away from the rest of the league? RE: NFL passing efficiency - - THE PISTONS - 12-09-2020 (12-09-2020, 11:27 AM)Rubekahn29 Wrote: Let's also not forget that our WR have the least separation of any in the NFL, or at least one point this year. I can't remember the exact number, just that it was worst in NFL. Our WR are slow and cannot get open. So context is important. Burrow def needs to improve, but a rookie around average with no training camp/pre season, and no time to throw, and receivers that are always blanketed all impact that. No doubt. I think basically 99.9% of people are very happy with Burrow on the board. He just does have some work to put in and he'd probably be the 1st to tell us that. But, yeah the WR's and line and TE's and Running Game haven't helped him. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - THE PISTONS - 12-09-2020 (12-09-2020, 03:54 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: Am I the only one that found it funny that the Eagle logo looks like it is looking away from the rest of the league? Guess who the Eagles QB Coach, Passing Coordinator...and supposedly new play caller is? Zac's brother. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 12-09-2020 (12-08-2020, 05:36 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Burrow has been highly accurate - 65.3%. That's very, very good for a rookie QB, regardless if he's a first-round pick or not. Yes sir. We will improve big time as long as we improve the OL. Burrow can work with the guys we already have and we can get much more efficient. With Boyd, Higgins, Tate, Sample, Gio, Mixon he has good weapons. Improve the OL, get the running game going and it will open up the passing game. Not to mention getting a decent OC and OL coach. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - THE PISTONS - 12-09-2020 (12-09-2020, 04:04 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yes sir. We will improve big time as long as we improve the OL. Burrow can work with the guys we already have and we can We've talked about improving the oline for 3-4 years. It's easier for us to type about than an inept front office to do. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 12-10-2020 (12-09-2020, 08:36 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: We've talked about improving the oline for 3-4 years. Well, we still have to talk about it lol Get Sewell and a new OL coach that is not inept add another versatile OL in FA and than we can stop typing about it. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - THE PISTONS - 12-10-2020 (12-10-2020, 05:32 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Well, we still have to talk about it lol Say we pick 3...I think there's a decent chance that they pass up Sewell because of Hart. Especially if they think they can't re-sign Jackson. No way are they going to go out and sign another really expensive CB to go with Waynes. They could want another CB on a rookie deal. It's far from a slam dunk that they take Sewell. Or they could go WR to replace Green. Or a DT to replace Geno. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - Essex Johnson - 12-10-2020 (12-10-2020, 05:48 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Say we pick 3...I think there's a decent chance that they pass up Sewell because of Hart. Especially if they think they can't re-sign Jackson. No way are they going to go out and sign another really expensive CB to go with Waynes. They could want another CB on a rookie deal. Would you be ok trading back to acquire more high rounds picks with soooooo many holes to fill RE: NFL passing efficiency - - THE PISTONS - 12-10-2020 (12-10-2020, 05:55 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Would you be ok trading back to acquire more high rounds picks with soooooo many holes to fill Maybe, it honestly depends on the offer, but I think a guy like Sewell is a pick that's hard to mess up. You trade down and the chances of hitting on those picks are lower. Hypothetically, for #3, if you offered me like the 7th pick this year and a 3rd Round pick and a 1st next year...that would be tempting. This is a weird draft year too with guys opting out. It's going to make scouting it and putting together a draft board a lot harder in some ways. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 12-10-2020 (12-10-2020, 05:48 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Say we pick 3...I think there's a decent chance that they pass up Sewell because of Hart. Especially if they think they can't re-sign Jackson. No way are they going to go out and sign another really expensive CB to go with Waynes. They could want another CB on a rookie deal. Would be beyond idiotic to pass up Sewell cause we have Hart... Come on man. We haven't been THAT bad drafting lately, that was actually a really good Draft we had in 2020. Lots of rookies contributed in a great way, the first 3 were off the charts IMO. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - THE PISTONS - 12-11-2020 (12-10-2020, 10:24 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Would be beyond idiotic to pass up Sewell cause we have Hart... Burrow was a no brainer. Higgins was a good pick. Some other the other guys have potential. The Bengals love Hart. I see mocks with Sewell going 4 or 5. Its no guarantee we take him. We should take him, but you never know especially if Jackson leaves. RE: NFL passing efficiency - - Essex Johnson - 12-11-2020 (12-10-2020, 06:14 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Maybe, it honestly depends on the offer, but I think a guy like Sewell is a pick that's hard to mess up. You trade down and the chances of hitting on those picks are lower. Well I look at it this way.. we did not move the needle that much with Burrow and I don;t think we will with Sewell not as much because of the player but the lack of talent now and underperformance of other players. Maybe it is time for the Bengals to do what other teams have done ie Baltimore .. trade back maybe more than once during the draft and load up with picks.. Burrow is going to need much more than a single tackle to protect him and if anything we will just look like the Cowboys even if you score points, your defense gives up more. I hope we can swing a trade with Miami.. get probably the 8 to 10th pick and another high round pick 2nd and maybe a 3rd or 4th. That would net us maybe 6 picks in the first 120 picks |