(12-12-2020, 04:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I signed Gerald Everett. He has experience with Zac, is very durable, a former 2nd rounder who in on depthchart behind Higbee. 

(12-12-2020, 04:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I signed Gerald Everett. He has experience with Zac, is very durable, a former 2nd rounder who in on depthchart behind Higbee. 

(12-12-2020, 11:32 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: 1.  Penei Sewell  OT  Oregon

2.  Trey Smith OG  Tennessee

3.  Marvin Wilson  DT  Fla. St.

Why?  Because I feel that it is abundantly apparent that the Bengals need to build up the lines on both sides of the ball.  Everyone is familiar with Sewell, so no explanations needed here.  

Trey Smith is big and very powerful at the point of attack.  Described as a line mover in run blocking, a player like Smith would give some desperately needed credibility to the Bengals interior OL.  Pass Pro could use a little technical refinement, but he has the physical traits and instincts that cannot be coached.

I went with Wilson because he strikes me as a guy that will develop into an explosive 3T, similar to Geno Atkins for most of his playing career.  Explosive off the ball with a powerful "club and swim" move.  Needs to develop a solid second move (perhaps a rip?), and needs a little coaching on maintaining discipline as far as pad level.

Edit:  I'll finish the cuts, retains, and pickups later..

(12-12-2020, 06:31 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I love the exercise, but garbage in equals garbage out. The salary cap estimate is $176 million, it was close to $200 million in 2020 so close to a 15% reduction. To me this means, we will see a 15% reduction (or close to it) on most free agents and or a lot if cuts due to many teams (10) already over the cap prior to the draft.

So the Bengals gain a 2 way competitive advantage, they have an estimated 42 million in cap space prior to any cuts they may make or salaries reduced (i see most teams reducing salaries of some players). The second advantage is they have great draft position, it may cost them more for their rookie pools, but vets will still be a lot more expensive than rookies. For example, a rookie LT/RT for 4 years will be 8 to 10 million cheaper than an all pro OT vet on 2nd or 3rd contract.

Cut savings - (does not count restructure CJ, T. Waynes and others) = $20.2 million added to $42 million = 62.2 million
I cut and save almost 10 million with Geno
I cut and save 4 million with Gio
I cut and save 3 million with Finney
Billy Price - save 3.2 million

FA Signings and own Signings = 47.5 million
Thuney -14 million
Dupree 14 million
M. Alexander - 5.5 million
W. Jackson - 8 million
Huber 3.2 million
C.Samuals 7.5 million

Rookie Pool - 11 million, so leaves at  least 4 million for injury pool or cut Hart for 6 million after TC is Sewall is ready to start 2021
1. Sewall (OT)
2. D. Brown - OG Alabama
3. Sage Surratt Wake Forest

(12-12-2020, 02:30 PM)samhain Wrote: I've seen estimates like that.  I'm skeptical of them.  The Bengals paid Wanyes a lot of money last year and in doing so set a precedent for what they will pay a top corner.  Does WJ3 consider himself the team's best corner?  Do the Bengals?  I'd say he likely does.  I'd be surprised if he was willing to take less that what the team paid Waynes to stay here.

(12-12-2020, 04:32 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Draft:
Penei Sewell OT Oregon
Creed Humphrey IOL Okla/Alex Leatherwood OT/OG Alabama
Quincy Roche DE Miami

Cut:
Geno Atkins (9.6M savings)
Bobby Hart (5.9M savings)
Billy Price (2.1M savings) (I'm not sure I'd do this cut because he could maybe be a serviceable backup C for a decent price but if I had to choose a third, it'd be him)

Re-sign:
William Jackson III (14M AAV)
Mackensie Alexander (6M AAV)
Kevin Huber (2.5M AAV)
I was considering tacking on Carl Lawson, but I don't know how much he is worth considering he is a "good pass rusher" but never really collects any stats to show that. His value will be very dependent on how other teams view him and that's incredibly hard to predict.

Sign:
Leonard Williams (14.5M AAV)
Andy Dalton (4M AAV)
a mid tier LB or DT, depending on the market, ~4M AAV

That would, apparently, leave about 14 million in cap space to sign the rookie pool and any other free agents that we may go after. I was considering going after Thuney, but 15 to 16M is a lot to spend on a guard and I think we could double dip Oline in the draft and come away with a ready to play guard prospect, so I went with the Dline help instead as the big ticket signing.

I didn't include an extension for Bates because his contract isn't expiring, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went with that over re-signing WJIII, as safeties are a little bit cheaper than CBs and we do have Waynes who is already costing us so much money at CB.

(12-13-2020, 12:22 PM)samhain Wrote: Looking a free agents and guys who will be around when we're drafting in round 2 made me realize that corner talent may be slim pickings this offseason.  That may make WJ3 returning more crucial than I thought.  Not many interior d-linemen to speak of in FA, either.  This may be something to consider when it comes to who we draft (after Sewell, of course).

(12-12-2020, 10:49 PM)Geno_Can_Dunk Wrote: It's interesting, I agree with at least one part of everything that's been posted so far, but do not agree entirely with any of them. Makes for a good discussion thread. 

This is probably the one I like the best. If we were voting, I'd vote for it. 

Couple small quibbles though:

At least according to overthecap.com (which I prefer to spotrac), we'd save Price's salary if we trade him but not if we cut him. I don't know why or if that's even accurate. But remember, we save 3.5M by cutting Finney anyway, and a little over 2.5 if we cut XSF. So I don't think Price is a must. 

I'd love to have Dalton back but I have a really hard time seeing it under any circumstances. 

I think your AAV estimates are pretty accurate (not sure why Mac's would go up though, but others have said that too). I do want to point out for everybody that AAV doesn't always equate to first year cap hit. Waynes's AAV was around 14M but his first year hit was only 10. Reader's deal was about the same. I believe this is what most teams do, and we only started doing it last year. And I think it's a good idea for several reasons. 

But I'd be cool with how the roster shapes up if we followed your plan. 

(12-13-2020, 09:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Another 3 to help us moving forward. All 3 of the 3 win teams won today

(12-13-2020, 09:54 PM)Knightmare on Elm Street Wrote: I see you constantly talk about the DT from Iowa, where is his stock right now? I haven't heard alot about him in some of the pre-draft chatter.

(12-12-2020, 11:00 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Earlier I created a thread asking what you feel are the team's top 3 fixes. To continue with the exercise I've expanded the 3.

In this thread I ask you to:

Pick 3 draft choices  RD1-3 (If you don't know players, just like position you want)

Rd 1- Penei Sewell....Duh

Rd 2- Jalon Twyman, DT.  The next pass-rushing DT that we need to replace Geno

Rd 3- Chris Rumph- DE/OLB- Freaky fast edge rusher than lines up all over the place for Duke.  Just a pure playmaker.  Only defensive player that might be able to catch Lamar Jackson and Pat Mahommes.  If they are sticking 3-4, then he is a great option.  He will slide to here because of his size, but someone needs to tell the Bengals that the game is evolving and slow, plodding defensive players are dinosaurs.  


Pick 3 players that will be under contract that you will cut (you can list $ or not):

Shawn Williams
Bobby Hart
Ryan Finley...Don't care how little it saves.  GTF out of here.   

I struggled with Geno here, but I am hoping shoulder surgery can make him valuable one more year, but I could be convinced to let him go.  I just try to think in realistic terms of what the Brown family will do and while they CAN'T keep AJ, they could keep their most realistic shot at another HOFer.  

Pick 3 current players whose contract expires after this year that you will renew (see above about $)

WJIII
Mackenzie Alexander
Carl Lawson

Pick 3 FAs that you will sign (see above about $)

Joe Thuney, a kicker not named Fat Randy (more likely draft one late), and a backup QB not named Finley.  I personally love Colt McCoy, but I don't know his contract status.  I apologize if I am a little "pie in the sky" like I have the money to sign those FAs, and also retain the three I mentioned as those having contracts expiring that I would extend.  I am far from a cap-ologist, but I hope that would work.  I would be willing to part with Geno for Thuney.  I would hope that not re-signing Ross, Green, Williams, and maybe a few others would help here.  

(12-12-2020, 11:09 AM)bfine32 Wrote: DRAFT
Penei Sewell OT
Daviyon Nixon DT
Deommodore Lenoir CB

CUT
DT-Geno Atkins ($13.4 Mil)
OT-Bobby Hart ($5.9 Mil)
TE-CJ Uzomah ($5.3 Mil)
Save approx. $25 Mil in Cap Space

RES=SIGN:
LG- Quinton Spain ($3 MIL)
CB- WJIII ($8 MIL)
ST- Brandon Wilson ($2 MIL)
Cost about $13 MIL to sign our own

FAs
TE-Gerald Everett ($4 Mil)
DE-Ziggy Ansah ($1.5 MIL)
WR-Curtis Samuel ($11 MIL)
Spend about  $13 MIL in new Signing

(12-12-2020, 02:30 PM)samhain Wrote: I've seen estimates like that.  I'm skeptical of them.  The Bengals paid Wanyes a lot of money last year and in doing so set a precedent for what they will pay a top corner.  Does WJ3 consider himself the team's best corner?  Do the Bengals?  I'd say he likely does.  I'd be surprised if he was willing to take less that what the team paid Waynes to stay here.