(01-04-2021, 07:20 PM)MileHighGrowler Wrote: So then back to my question:  what has Zac shown in terms of progress that gives one hope for next season?  

(01-04-2021, 06:34 PM)Amalone002 Wrote: So many outsiders and fans wanting to change and fire everyone.  

Says alot that Burrow and Boyd, two of our best players don't want a new coach and believe in zac. We need consistency and when you fire coaches too early (see Cleveland) it's hard and the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

I'm alone here but I also agree with Mike browns message and like what we are building.  We need to get healthy and add more free agents which it sounds like they are going to do and will be fine.  

Not sure if Lou is gone or not,  I see he is taking alot of heat from fans. Is he a good DC? I don't know.  I do know he did well with what he had to work with,  we had 3rd stringers, practice squad guys out there on D vs the ravens no matter what your not stopping Lamar with those players.  We had maybe 3 good players on D in our last game,  not enough to stop the ravens. When M. Hunt is looking like one of our best players its not a good sign.  

Even in the Texans game, we gave up alot of rushing but you got to give up something in order to not let Watson beat you,  especially with our banged up defense, I think we did ok.

Zac has been calling good games as of late, team sucked as a whole Sunday though.  But he was getting all the praise the last few weeks now a bad loss fans turn again.  But I was expecting this response from fans would happen if we got whooped Sunday,  we fans are emotional.  As a Sacramento Kings fan we started off 3-0 everyone was hyped about the coach players and thinking we're a playoff team now we lose a few games.... the coach should be fired,  trade everyone etc its just funny really lol

To anyone still bringing up gase record vs Taylor.  Both are different.  Not sure if the jets had as many injuries but gase has been a head coach before he's expected to do better right out the gate.  Taylor wasn't,  if he did cool even better but he's a first time HC and they were already prepared to give him some leash, even more so with all the injuries.  

Looking forward to free agency and the draft.  Who dey!

(01-04-2021, 07:36 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: Even if Taylor were to pull off an 8-8 record next season, he would still have a dismal record as head coach here. Mike Brown would see this as improvement and most likely hand Taylor an extension though. I'm not eating any crow unless Taylor and crew can deliver a record like 12-4 or better and get us into the playoffs NEXT YEAR. Since he's being brought back, against most fans wishes I might add, anything less in my eyes will be deemed as a failure. Again what I and most of you think and what the front office does, year in and year out, are two different things.

(01-04-2021, 07:47 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: 8-8 in our division would actually be a  good year with our young roster and rebuild especially if Burrow is limited at start of year.  Also there are many fans that support bring Zac back and would see 8 wins next year as a major step forward..

(01-04-2021, 07:50 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: It's already starting.

Year 3 already has built in excuses. (like almost every year with some people).

(01-04-2021, 06:42 PM)MileHighGrowler Wrote: Pleeeeeeaaaaase stop saying that Boyd and Burrow and any other player who says publicly they believe/support their coach means the players are all-in on Zac or would be upset if the HC was replaced.  Please.  You cannot read into those comments.  Some guys want to stir the pot enough to get dropped or traded like Los did.  But most of them will say the right thing, because, well, it's the right thing.  And maybe they do also support Zac 100%.  But we don't know that, and I'm getting tired of hearing how our guys love Zac so much so we should too.  

You know what I bet Boyd and Burrow like even more than Zac?  Winning.  Winning enough to go the playoffs.  Winning in the playoffs.  Playing a Superbowl.  Winning a Lombardi trophy.  

You know what I expected from Zac?  Not a 5 year learning curve and slow progression where no one knew his ceiling.  Coming off a tired 6-win performance from Merv, I expected Zac to take the team with some energy and knock out 7 or 8 wins the first year and be in the playoff picture this year.  Injuries aren't an excuse.  Losing one-score games isn't an excuse.  

And, the points still remain that Zac doesn't do anything to change and try to improve.  If he'd started out and realized he was in over his head and needed to hand off play calling duties, I'd say he learned something and grew.  If his assistants were keeping the team up and he replaced them I'd say he was striving for excellence.  But the guy hasn't done crap in 2 full years.  It's just the same thing over and over.  I'm not sure where anyone can point to his effort over 32 games and show where the improvement has been.  Learning curve?  There is no curve. It's a learning flat.  Which means there's no learning.  Which means there's no improvement.  

(01-04-2021, 07:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 2 things:

Where did the OP say you should love Zac?

You're getting tired of the positive posts about Zac...........really?

(01-04-2021, 07:47 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: 8-8 in our division would actually be a  good year with our young roster and rebuild especially if Burrow is limited at start of year.  Also there are many fans that support bring Zac back and would see 8 wins next year as a major step forward..

(01-04-2021, 07:56 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I also find it interesting that so many posts were on a "dysfunctional locker room" and some people were all over supporting that etc but then you mention support by players and they just throw it out the window.. hmmm 

(01-04-2021, 07:52 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: And so has people that are only see from one end of the lense..

(01-04-2021, 07:47 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: 8-8 in our division would actually be a  good year with our young roster and rebuild especially if Burrow is limited at start of year.  Also there are many fans that support bring Zac back and would see 8 wins next year as a major step forward..  As good as the Ravens are.. they did not even get to 12-4.. you are just setting up failure at a bar that over 80 percent of teams don;t even reach in a year

(01-04-2021, 06:40 PM)Amalone002 Wrote: Thank you.  Not many of us lol but I think we're headed in the right direction for sure. 

(01-04-2021, 07:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 2 things:

Where did the OP say you should love Zac?

You're getting tired of the positive posts about Zac...........really?

(01-04-2021, 08:07 PM)chopperbobby Wrote: I agree improvement each year.  Next year 6 wins.  the following year we are 8 and 8 and moving on up.  sky is the limit.  4 more years and we might be a wild card team.  Cant wait for the fun to begin.  In Zac and Mike we trust, Because we have no other choice.  Bring back Paul Alexander.  Why not we had a few winning years with him.

We did beat the Steelers this year.  Something we have not done in a long time.  However we lost every other division game.