(02-11-2021, 05:00 PM)Joelist Wrote: If you take Pitts without fixing the OL so the Tackles can play on islands it will be a bit pointless, as P{its will be staying in to help the RT most downs.

(02-11-2021, 05:30 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: Right. Think we are assuming bengals try to upgrade there line through FA. Otherwise it’s pretty tough to justify Pitts if Sewell is on the board or it’s an absolute need because FA didn’t work

(02-11-2021, 12:26 PM)ochocincos Wrote: People were against Jefferson because Jefferson played the slot and Bengals already had Boyd there.
As for Pitts's speed, I think he runs in the 4.5's, which is good for a TE.

(02-11-2021, 12:11 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Anyone who doesn't want Kyle Pitts either:
1) Undervalues his abilities
2) Thinks Bengals have good TEs now or optimism they'll get better
3) Don't think the Bengals will be able to incorporate TE well enough into the passing game

(02-11-2021, 07:13 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Or wants them to draft offensive line help since Pitts is useless if Burrow is under siege like he was last year.

Chase, Pitts, etc, etc, etc... weapons are useless if your QB is running for his life or laying flat on his back.

Did you forget the Super Bowl game already or just not watch? The best offense in the league was shut down due to a crap O-line and an aggressive D. 

In this division, we have 6 games against teams that love to blitz, without an O-line... yeah... not a good idea.

(02-11-2021, 07:13 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Now, if the FA period ends and they have a new tackle and a new guard that are legit players and upgrades... sure go get a new toy, but if they don't have two new starters on O-line before the draft, then O-line is the only acceptable pick.

(02-11-2021, 07:20 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I disagree.
If the Bengals get an OT in FA, they don't need to reach for a Guard at 5.
They can get a more than capable Guard in Rds 2-3.
Heck, they should be able to get a solid-or-better RT in Rd 2.
It's not Pick 5 or bust for OL in this draft class. There's a lot of talent on Day 2 of the draft.

Would the following scenario not be ok?
1) Pitts
2) Eichenberg, OT Notre Dame (Or Cosmi, Leatherwood, or Jenkins)
3) Duane Brown, OG Alabama

(02-11-2021, 07:17 PM)ochocincos Wrote: The Bengals would have to address OL in FA and/or Day 2 of the draft to justify taking Pitts.
Wanting Pitts vs taking someone else instead of him at 5 because of need are different things though.

Also, I don't understand why you made an assumption that I don't know the Bengals need upgrades at OL or that I "must have forgotten the Super Bowl or didn't watch." You've seen enough of my posts on this board to know how I feel about OL, so the fact that you think I don't understand the OL need is laughable, frankly.

(02-11-2021, 07:13 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Or wants them to draft offensive line help since Pitts is useless if Burrow is under siege like he was last year.

Chase, Pitts, etc, etc, etc... weapons are useless if your QB is running for his life or laying flat on his back.

Did you forget the Super Bowl game already or just not watch? The best offense in the league was shut down due to a crap O-line and an aggressive D. 

In this division, we have 6 games against teams that love to blitz, without an O-line... yeah... not a good idea.

Now, if the FA period ends and they have a new tackle and a new guard that are legit players and upgrades... sure go get a new toy, but if they don't have two new starters on O-line before the draft, then O-line is the only acceptable pick.

(02-11-2021, 04:55 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: If I recall correctly, CJ ran a modest 4.58.  If Pitts runs 4.59 or less, at his height and weight, he will be a beast.  He is a hybrid TE/WR.  I would hope the coaching staff could creatively use Pitts if he is drafted by the Bengals.  Pitts, Higgins, Boyd, and maybe a FA signing like Godwin would be killer.

(02-11-2021, 07:43 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Cause your list of reasons for not taking Pitts didn't include the fact that improving the O-line is the single most important thing for this team to do... more important then re-signing Lawson or WJII, more important then adding WR's or TE's or anything... the O-line is the issue.

If Burrow stays upright he has Higgins and Boyd to throw to, and Tate will be back and is well liked around here and C.J. Uzomah isn't terrible.

Here is how I view it. Which is a bigger upgrade.

Pitts over Uzomah

Slater over Michael "I got my QB killed" Jordan

Sewell over Bobby Hart

That is how you need to look at it and in that situation, Pitts is easy to overlook.

The only way I consider Pitts or Chase at pick 5 is if the O-line looks like this pre-draft. Williams, Thuney, Hopkins, Spain, Moton. If you have those 5 guys or something extremely close to those 5 in talent, sure... go get whatever at 5.

(02-11-2021, 07:56 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm not taking Slater at 5 to play OG. Quinton Nelson is the highest OG pick (that I can remember anyway) and he was taken 6th. And Nelson is a better, safer prospect than Slater.
If you're taking Slater at 5, you're taking him with intent to play OT.

As for replacing Hart, he's a 7th rounder. He's done well for a 7th rounder, but I really think the Bengals can find a proper RT in Rd 2 or even early Rd 3. If I'm taking an OT at 5, it would be with the intent to play that guy at LT and shift Jonah Williams to LG or RT.

As for Uzomah, dude is also not good.
His highest PFF score in any season is 68.1, but his highest receiving score is 63.3.
He's basically the same caliber of a TE as Bobby Hart is at OT.


I'm totally down for taking Sewell because he's considered a generational talent, but Pitts is also considered a generational talent at TE, and would be a huge upgrade over Uzomah and Sample.
If OT isn't addressed in FA like we've heard rumors of and Sewell does end up being there, I think he's worth taking over Pitts.
But if Sewell isn't there and/or OT has already been addressed in FA, Pitts is my target. I'll go get OL in Rds 2 and/or 3.

(02-11-2021, 07:56 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm totally down for taking Sewell because he's considered a generational talent, but Pitts is also considered a generational talent at TE, and would be a huge upgrade over Uzomah and Sample.
If OT isn't addressed in FA like we've heard rumors of and Sewell does end up being there, I think he's worth taking over Pitts.
But if Sewell isn't there and/or OT has already been addressed in FA, Pitts is my target. I'll go get OL in Rds 2 and/or 3.

(02-11-2021, 07:20 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I disagree.
If the Bengals get an OT in FA, they don't need to reach for a Guard at 5.
They can get a more than capable Guard in Rds 2-3.
Heck, they should be able to get a solid-or-better RT in Rd 2.
It's not Pick 5 or bust for OL in this draft class. There's a lot of talent on Day 2 of the draft.

Would the following scenario not be ok?
1) Pitts
2) Eichenberg, OT Notre Dame (Or Cosmi, Leatherwood, or Jenkins)
3) Duane Brown, OG Alabama

(02-12-2021, 09:10 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: A lot of you must have changed the channel when we were on defense.

(02-11-2021, 08:21 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: In that situation, you trade down since their will be QBs available and pick up an extra 2nd round pick.

Then you take Christian Darrisaw or Slater to play T and use the extra 2nd rounder to get a weapon.

Like I showed you above, actual generational talents at TE, were all 2nd and 3rd round guys.

1st round TE's lately:

2020 - none
2019- Noah Fant (not really generational, but good), T.J. Hockenson (who was bad year one, but came on this year strong)
2018 - Hayden Hurst, who has already been traded,
2017 - O.J. Howard (2nd on the depth behind Brate still), Evan Engram (Stone hands Engram)
2016 - none
2015 - none
2014 - Eric Ebron (nothing special)
2013 - Mr Glass Tyler Eifert

2nd or 3rd Round TE's

2020 - Cole Kmet 
2019 - Irv Smith Jr (Very solid above average TE), Dawson Knox (Important weapon in Buffalo's offense)
2018 - Mike Gesicki (monster TE who killed us), Dallas Goedert (Who is replacing Zach Ertz and has great numbers)
2017 - Gerald Everett
2016 - Hunter Henry (stud), Austin Hooper (2 time Pro-Bowler)
2015 - Tyler Kroft and a few like him... not a deep class
2014 - Richard Rodgers and a lot of guys who are retired. 
2013 - Zach Ertz (Pro Bowler), Travis Kelce (Pro Bowler), Jordan Reed (Pro Bowler)


I'm just not seeing anything in recent years that justifies wasting a top 5 pick on a TE. If you move back and get him at 13 or 14 and get a bunch of other picks, I might be more on-board but look at the list of first round TE's and tell me which of them would be good value at pick 5? And several of them had the same hype as Pitts. Every year the scouts call this QB or this WR or this TE "generational" and honestly, how often do they really prove to be that?

Example, Eifert was "generational" when we took him, and... injured and unavailable. Meanwhile, the guys after him, Ertz and Kelce are in fact the guys changing the TE position.