(04-23-2021, 03:57 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I would not mind dropping to #9 (Denver).  

I think #15 (New England) would be the next option but I would not really want to drop that far.

(04-23-2021, 04:34 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Just reading between the lines but said willing to listen to offers but wont trade back if it means missing out on premiere talent.. So depending on how many guys they have slated as that (premiere) talent  i would guess if we think we can trade back and still get one the players we want while picking up extra capital they will pull the trigger.

(04-23-2021, 04:38 PM)Stewy Wrote: you're reaching

(04-23-2021, 04:40 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: just using logic.  im not drooling over these guys like most of you.

(04-23-2021, 04:38 PM)Stewy Wrote: you're reaching

(04-23-2021, 03:29 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: 5 Pro Bowl offensive lineman in the 90's helped make HOF'ers out of Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/cowboys/2013/12/03/great-wall-of-dallas-erik-williams-mark-tuinei-nate-newton-mark-stepnoski/3859515/

(04-23-2021, 04:57 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: How so? That's pretty much what Tobin said...they have a comfort zone and won't trade past that unless someone blows them away with a great deal.

(04-23-2021, 05:14 PM)Stewy Wrote: And once again Tobin says exactly what any other GM would say at this time of year.  Any one of us could have gotten up there and said the same thing.  It's reaching because it's drawing conclusions based on what everyone knows.

"It's a deep draft of OL and any WR taken in the early rounds is expected to contribute early."   WOW!  Well OMG!  That is titanic!  This super secret knowledge tells me EXACTLY what the Bengals are going to do.

*shakes head*

Well, I am going to commit to NOT responding to these discussions any more.  Me reacting to others over reactions is dumb on my part, so I'm done.  Sorry to have disturbed the pre-draft information tilt-a-whirl.

(04-23-2021, 05:14 PM)CoachGeorge Wrote: Or was it the other way around?

None of those guys were first rounders.  Two went undrafted and two went in rounds that don’t exist anymore.  Even Larry Allen was a third round guy.

(04-23-2021, 05:26 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Not sure what any of that has to do with the fact that the Bengals don't want move out of Sewell-Chase-Pitts-possibly Slater range unless someone offers a great deal. 

(04-23-2021, 04:34 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: Some mocks had the other OT Slater I think is his name going before Sewell.

(04-23-2021, 02:34 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Obviously no minds are going to be changed here, but I want to get it all out of my system and try to enjoy the week leading up to the draft without spending the next week arguing. So here goes.

My reasons for taking Sewell at 5...

1. Joe Burrow's health. People keep trying to minimize this, but we all saw what happened last year, and Joe will be playing on an injured knee this year. Perhaps with a brace. Yes, freak injuries happen. What happened last year wasn't "freak" though. We ALL saw it coming. Yes, it can happen again even with a good line, but clearly the chances are lower if Burrow takes less hits. This isn't complicated.

2. Yes, we can get a lineman anywhere in the draft, but people need to be honest. Sewell is the best prospect we can get our hands on. There is a substantial dropoff in caliber when you get to round 2. Sewell WILL start...probably at Right Tackle (Reiff moving inside). This nonsense that we wouldn't start the 5th overall pick is...nonsense.

3. Tee Higgins. Regardless of how you feel about his potential, he showed a lot in his rookie season. The reasonable decision is to at least let this guy have a chance to fill the #1 role before dismissing him entirely by taking Chase. If it later becomes clear that he isn't a WR1, then we can take a WR next year. We don't have that luxury with the line. It needs an elite player NOW.

If we take Chase and Higgins continues to rise, we will NOT be able to pay Chase and Higgins in a 2 year span. Too much money on one position. Some live in the now, so I doubt they care, but long term, this stuff matters.

4. Not enough balls to go around. If Mixon is healthy, we will not continue throwing 40 times a game. When people just look at AJ Green's outgoing targets, they are failing to consider this. So if Chase and Higgins see 100+ targets, Boyd and his $10 million cap hit are going to get squeezed a bit. He's going to go from 850 yards to say...500. Massive overpay. May as well trade the guy.

5. The overall impact on the offense. It's not just about health. When you have elite blocking up front, Suddenly 3rd and 7 becomes 3rd and 1. Suddenly you don't have to throw on 3rd and 2. More time to throw deep. Opens up the playbook. Run game threat brings the safeties up and you can throw over the top. Separation stat "magically" improves.

Yes you can get a good blocker later, but again, don't be obtuse. If you REALLY want all of the above, Sewell is the best choice in this draft - by a country mile - over the round 2 guys.

6. There are speed guys with potential available in round 2. Yes there is a huge dropoff, but I think even the Chase people admit that our need on the line is more dire than our need at WR. So if we're gambling with that round 2 guy, why gamble with the bigger need? Is Chase that much better than Sewell to justify it? Because they look pretty equal to most.

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I take ALL of the above into consideration and it seems like an easy card to turn in. Now if we roll with Chase, life won't be over for me. Chase is a fantastic player and maybe that round 2 lineman will pan out. Hopefully we take a round 2 lineman, because our history shows us taking more linemen in rounds 3, 4 and 5.

I won't be responding here. This is officially my last post on this until after the draft.

I'll leave you with this blurb from Peter King:

5. CINCINNATI. How the Bengals don’t take Oregon tackle Penei Sewell is beyond me, especially because this draft is filthy-rich in receivers—as with every recent draft. But I also hear the drumbeat is loud for Ja’Marr Chase, who made such beautiful music with Joe Burrow in 2019 at LSU (average game: 127 receiving yards, 21.2 yards per catch). Clearly, I’d vote for the Joe Burrow Preservation Plan, and start this draft tackle at 5, guard at 38. Burrow’s good enough, if he has time, to win with Tee Higgins, Tyler Boyd and a lesser third option (Rondale Moore?).

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/18/nfl-draft-rumors-fmia-peter-king/

(04-23-2021, 05:59 PM)J24 Wrote: Just curious whats a great deal? For example if WFT gives you a 2nd +2 3rds and a 2022 1st; Duke has to take that right?

(04-23-2021, 05:59 PM)J24 Wrote: Just curious whats a great deal? For example if WFT gives you a 2nd +2 3rds and a 2022 1st; Duke has to take that right?

(04-23-2021, 04:12 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Anyone have a link or just fill me in?

(04-23-2021, 06:32 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I don't think there's any way they drop that far. I think 15 is probably the absolute lowest they would go, and that would likely require the Pats 1st, 2nd and 3rd this year and a 1st next year.