(05-28-2021, 02:30 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Not this again.   Can we come up with some rule against these silly meaningless semantic arguments?

Why do you get to say what he really means in your words instead of his own?

He clearly said he would be ready to start the season.  So what if he did not use the exact word "guarantee"?  He said what he said.

(05-28-2021, 02:38 PM)R3stangs Wrote: Geez This isn't hard to understand. Our Dline sucked too as has already been said.  A major component of making that better (we hope) isn't on the field yet. People are nervous about it. It's not hard to grasp.

Until he's actually on the field most are going to be concerned about it.

(05-28-2021, 02:39 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I figured as the king of semantics, you would have pointed out that he didn't actually guarantee it.
I'm just trying to be nitpicky about words just like you do.

(05-28-2021, 02:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I never have to resort to sematic arguments.

There is a big difference between an argument based on semantics, which is basically arguing about the exact meaning of words, and an people claiming they did not mean what they actually said.

For example one definition of "guarantee" is "to assert confidently".  In this case Reader "asserted confidently" that he would be ready for the season.  To claim that he didn't is a nit-picky attempt at a semantic argument.  But on the other hand the term "the worst" does not mean "just bad" or "some of the worst".  So when I point out that that some player or coach is not "the worst" I am making a factual argument, not a semantic argument.

(05-28-2021, 02:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I never have to resort to sematic arguments.

There is a big difference between an argument based on semantics, which is basically arguing about the exact meaning of words, and an people claiming they did not mean what they actually said.

For example one definition of "guarantee" is "to assert confidently".  In this case Reader "asserted confidently" that he would be ready for the season.  To claim that he didn't is a nit-picky attempt at a semantic argument.  But on the other hand the term "the worst" does not mean "just bad" or "some of the worst".  So when I point out that that some player or coach is not "the worst" I am making a factual argument, not a semantic argument.

(05-28-2021, 03:22 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Where are you getting said definition?

(05-28-2021, 04:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Semantics aside:

I guarantee if someone you disagreed with used the term guarantee you'd point to a different definition of guarantee.

(05-28-2021, 05:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Guarantee | Definition of Guarantee by Merriam-Webster

(05-28-2021, 05:25 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Fair enough. But I would say the most common understanding and definition of the term "guarantee" is 100% certainty.

(05-28-2021, 05:25 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Fair enough. But I would say the most common understanding and definition of the term "guarantee" is 100% certainty.
If someone said they guaranteed it was going to rain today because the forecast said 90% chance and it ends up not actually happening, would you point out that it shouldn't have been a guarantee? I would.

(05-28-2021, 08:36 PM)Stewy Wrote: And this is the definition of a semantic argument.  *ducks*

(05-28-2021, 08:06 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And Reader said he would be ready with 100% certainty.  Maybe I missed it but I did not see any "might" or "maybe" in his comments.

Quote:Bengals defensive coordinator Lou Anarumo said early this month that he felt getting veterans back in the lineup after they missed much or all of last season with injuries was like having extra draft picks.

Defensive tackle D.J. Reader is one of those players. He signed with the Bengals as a free agent last March and started five games before a quad injury knocked him out for the rest of the year.
Reader is working on the side at OTAs, but said he’s “feeling good and confident” about being 100 percent when it is time for the season to get underway.
“I never put a time limit on it, but I’ll be ready to go when it’s time to go and I’m out there working with the guys, the training staff is here pushing me,” Reader said, via Laurel Pfahler of the Dayton Daily News. “I’m excited.”
When the Bengals signed Reader, the idea was to team him with Geno Atkins on the interior of the line. Atkins is gone now, so the hope will shift to Reader, Larry Ogunjobi, and Mike Daniels making Cincinnati stouter at the point of attack in 2021.

(05-28-2021, 08:36 PM)Stewy Wrote: And this is the definition of a semantic argument.  *ducks*

(05-28-2021, 09:57 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Lets just hope he can return to form. Our Dline stunk last year, we need him.

(05-28-2021, 09:45 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Here is the entire article...


Where in that does he say he would be ready with 100% certainty?


All I see is him saying he's "feeling good and confident" about being 100% when it's time for the season to get underway.
Maybe my reading comprehension is terrible, but the way I read it is that he's confident he'll be ready by the start of the season, not that he's 100% certain.


Or are you referring to him saying "I'll be ready to go when it's time to go" as him saying he's guaranteeing it? Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but "when it's time to go" doesn't necessarily mean the start of the season to me. I interpret that as he'll be out there once he's ready, especially because he says he never puts a time limit on it.

(05-28-2021, 10:42 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Our DTs were useless last year. Every bit as bad as our OGs.