(08-07-2021, 02:23 PM)PDub80 Wrote: I went with player, but no one on the Bengals would bring a big time lineman. They would need a backup QB who would be a hot commodity.

The issue w the Bengals line is that they refused/misjudged investing in proven veteran talent. They have no Bobby Williams or Clint Boling. They have no Anthony Collins or Evan Mathis... Hell, not even a Nate Livings.

BTW, XSF is considered a draft bust. So, for him to be the Bengals starter... if he beats out Jackson... is BRUTAL. The issue was never Sewell vs Chase.... It was Zeitler, XSF, Carman vs XSF, Carman, Price. And, with $20,000 still to spend, it is INSANITY that they didn't pay Zeitler... INSANITY.

(08-07-2021, 02:58 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: I can't imagine any team at this point in the season trading a starting caliber O-line player.   O-line is such an important position for all teams.  You don't often hear that a team has a lot of quality competition going on for the starting positions on the O-line and they have too much depth at the position.  So it makes me wonder what team would have someone they were even willing to trade at this point and why.  

That kind of leaves a starting caliber player demanding a trade or a team trying to trade maybe an older player that they found a better replacement for from the draft or free agency.    But I don't think there are going to be any trade talks of any time soon.  Maybe once the season is a few weeks in. So I guess it would depend on the player.

Say a star guard demands a trade, a young healthy pro-bowl player then sure offer a 2022 first round pick and a 2nd.  Well maybe.  Do you really want a player that is demanding trades?  Will that person be unhappy here?

The formula is so complicated really that it is hard to vote on what should be given as part of a trade.  It depends too much on who, what teams are involved, and why.   That said...  If a great opportunity comes up and Tyler Boyd was part of a deal I think it should be seriously considered.  He has been a key part of the team on offense especially when AJ had his problems.   But now the Bengals have Higgins and supposedly the best WR from the 2021 draft in Chase.  So if it meant the Bengals could dramatically improve the O-line and Boyd got traded I would have absolutely no problem with that.   But I think player for player trades are rare so I don't see that happening either.

Last.  And this will be a very unpopular opinion.  Mixon should not be off the table either if we are talking about trades that may drastically improve the O-line should they come up.  And and even more unpopular opinion...  I say this because if the O-line does not get their shit together this season Mixon might start demanding a trade.

(08-07-2021, 03:05 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Carman could be exactly who Bobbie Williams was. Both taken in the second round, both played OT in college but were drafted for RG. Hopefully Carman can pick up the transition quicker; as Bobbie was inactive his entire rookie year. 

(08-07-2021, 03:28 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Carman reminds me of Bobbie honestly. BTW didn't we pick up Bobbie as a Free Agent?

(08-07-2021, 03:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yes, he was a "draft bust" much like XSF

(08-07-2021, 03:28 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I like the unpopular opinion more than the other one myself. Keep Boyd.

Mixon is very good but RB but it doesn't matter if the OL sucks, he isn't Barry Sanders. Boyd on the other hand is our best WR 
right now and I don't like the depth behind him enough to consider that trade. Boyd might be the best Slot WR in the NFL.

He is clutch and extremely valuable with all the traits you want and he is a leader for this team.

(08-07-2021, 03:39 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Some bust he turned out to be. One of my fave Bengals ever...

(08-07-2021, 03:05 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Carman could be exactly who Bobbie Williams was. Both taken in the second round, both played OT in college but were drafted for RG. Hopefully Carman can pick up the transition quicker; as Bobbie was inactive his entire rookie year. 

(08-07-2021, 12:37 PM)jason Wrote: Yeah... Start dialing that Detroit area code.

(08-07-2021, 03:22 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Come on dude, Carman, XSF or Spain are all better than Nate Livings...

And my name is Nate.

(08-07-2021, 05:37 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Can't imagine they'd make the swap being suggested, early reports from their camp are that Sewell is meeting or exceeding expecations and transitioning quickly to RT. The guy is going to be a stud Tackle for years, no one gives that up for a WR.

(08-07-2021, 04:41 PM)SadFaceBengal15 Wrote: Almost anyone. This team was at its best when the offensive line was prioritized. Drafting chase was about as immature as it gets

(08-07-2021, 10:00 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Analytics tell us an elite WR is worth more than a single elite OT. Just look up the WAR for the top guys at each position. There was nothing “immature” about it.

(08-07-2021, 10:04 PM)PDub80 Wrote: This is 100% correct. PFF guys were on local Cincy radio discussing that the difference in impact between an avg OT or OG and an elite one were small vs the difference between an avg WR and an elite one.

(08-07-2021, 10:22 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: PFF guys were also on the internet saying shit like "Tyreek Hill might be the best deep threat in NFL history."

Soooo.... yeah. Lol