(08-10-2021, 04:57 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Carson Palmer did not get his big extension until December.

(08-10-2021, 04:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Bengals also said they wanted to sign him.


So who do we believe?  Neither side is willing to admit they don't want a deal.

(08-10-2021, 05:10 PM)J24 Wrote: I believe the player; this organization is terrible and has been terrible for years. Why would anyone trust them?

(08-10-2021, 04:17 PM)J24 Wrote: Well considering that he was talking about how much he wanted to be apart of this organization long term all off season + the likelihood that he would be franchised Tagged after the season. Yes I would say that would be surprising.

(08-10-2021, 05:18 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: It's pretty alarming that most of our really good home grown guys have wanted to walk over the past few years.
Lawson, WJ3, Bates, etc.

(08-10-2021, 03:58 PM)J24 Wrote: According to Jeremy Fowler from ESPN.

If true this just shows how dumb this front office continues to be. If things don't go right this season then Duke needs to go along with Zac Taylor. Dude is a bum

Exit Bengals not expecting to sign Bates to extension. Mods please change title!

(08-10-2021, 05:21 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Many people claim that was the Bengals' choice to purge themselves of "Marvin's guys".

(08-10-2021, 05:21 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Many people claim that was the Bengals' choice to purge themselves of "Marvin's guys".

(08-10-2021, 04:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Bengals also said they wanted to sign him.


So who do we believe?  Neither side is willing to admit they don't want a deal.

(08-10-2021, 04:09 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Just saw Rapien also reporting this which makes me more concerned. Maybe we just need to find some common ground.

Yes, Jessie is a great leader for us along with Bell on the D.

(08-10-2021, 05:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Your logic seems a bit contradictory.

You claim the team is terrible and has been terrible for years yet you believe that Bates is dying to re-sign here.

If I really thought the team was that bad then I would not believe a player when he claims he wants to re-sign here.

(08-10-2021, 05:16 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Some players say the correct thing, some players say the wrong thing.

Bates said the correct thing.

Stop with the naivety

(08-10-2021, 04:12 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Maybe Bates wants to move on from cincy

Is that so hard to believe?

(08-10-2021, 04:23 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: right have to know what hes asking for before i know who to be mad at...   

(08-10-2021, 05:38 PM)pally Wrote: Rapien was reporting what Fowler said so he wasn't corroborating the story.

This has negotiating ploy 101 written all over it.  Popular player looking for a contract extension.  Agent leaks that negotiations aren't going well.  Fan base rises up in anger in order to pressure the team.  However, that is a ploy unlikely to work with Bengals management.  We all know how impervious they are to fan pressure

I don't think I have ever seen Jeremy Fowler break a Bengals story.  I suppose that he and Bates' agent have some sort of relationship.  Interesting that his agent David Mulugheta also represents Jaylen Ramsey, DeShaun Watson, and Michael Thomas.  Mulugheta is willing to let things get ugly in his negotiations.  

(08-10-2021, 06:01 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I hope this is just posturing.  Maybe the Bates camp is asking for the moon, yet they still know that they'll eventually  take less, and this is the Bengals calling their bluff.  This could almost be a stalement by design.

That said, if this deal doesn't get done, and negotiations breaking down is indeed a long term problem, then it's hard for me not to think the Bengals are low-balling him.

Think of it from Bates' and his agent's perspective:  They know the risk in playing out a rookie deal.  They know that the tag amount for safeties is signifcantly lower than the top 5 highest paid.  Surely they want to avoid this.  They also know that all of the top 6 guys at the position fall between 14 mil and 15.2 mil; there is not a sizeable gap.  The market is pretty easy to identify and calculate.

So I find it almost impossible they'd overshoot this, to the point of ruining long-term security and taking a huge hit in pay on the tag vs. a new deal.  It would make no sense.

Like I said, this could be temporary.  I'm not going to assign blame right now.  Who knows what types of negotiating tactics are being used unless you're in the room.  But if the season opens up and he still isn't signed, I'm going to lean towards the Bengals offering way less than Bates overshooting a clear as day safety market.

PS If he doesn't get locked up that doesn't send a good message to some of the other guys on the team.  I've seen a handful of players talking up Bates this offseason, Von Bell in particular.  It wouldn't be a good look to not take care of your best player.  And franchising him isn't going to make a lot of people happy either.

(08-10-2021, 04:20 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: They have him this year and they can always franchise tag him for the next two years for significantly less money than a top-tier S contract would cost.