(10-02-2021, 09:09 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Also, those Burrow stats in the OP are not up to date. After the JAX game he’s at;

988 yards
9 TD’s 4 INT’s
72.9 cmp%
113.8 passer rating

(10-02-2021, 09:18 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Oh boy these kinds of threads are always such fun. Dalton/Kaep 2.0!

Ugh.

(10-02-2021, 09:39 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: Just drive on by then BPK! 

This thread was wasn't STARTED as 'my dad can beat up your dad' post!

I simply made a point that I don't believe either pick would be a BAD choice! 

It's the couch coaches who weighed in that turned it into that.

(10-03-2021, 12:01 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: They never start that way. But soon Herbert will be getting all the attention because LA and soon everyone will be BuT tHaT qB gEtS aTtEnTiOn or HeRbErT hAs ThE bEtTeR whatever and then it'll turn into Dalton/Kaep 2.0 while ignoring everything that made the Dalton/Kaep debate idiotic (i.e: coaching and scheme differences, consistency versus flash in the pan, difference in skill sets and on and on and on).

I'm just getting everyone ready for the fanbase turning on Burrow because of a different toy on the West Coast gets more attention than the QB in the Midwest.

(10-05-2021, 10:53 AM)bengalguy71 Wrote: Oh child pleeeeaaaase! 

The only way Bengals fan base turns on Burrow is if he becomes a Tyler Eifert injury mess, OR the team keeps repeating it's 30 year history in the 'outhouse'.

After 4 games:

Burrow - 72.9% - 988yds- 9TDs - 4 picks - 113.8 QBR

Herbert - 68.9% - 1178yds - 9TDs - 3 picks - 100.4 QBR

(10-05-2021, 05:09 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Or if Herbert wins a playoff game before Burrow, which is exactly what happened with Dalton and Kaep.

You can throw the stats at me all day long bud - lord knows we tried to use them to calm the Kaep Crowd down.

Doesn't matter. Some fans just want a different toy even if it isn't better in the long run.

(10-05-2021, 10:03 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: So what?  First of all why are you concerned about 'some' fans, and beside that, if this fan base hasn't figured out the reason behind this franchise's 30 year run without a playoff win, then they are more naive than I assume they are.

The fact that Kap (I can't even get signed as a 3rd string QB in the NFL) happened to be the QB when the 49ers won in the playoffs, made absolutely no difference to me, because the 49ers were the ones who won and went to the SB again because that's what franchise does, and the Bengals don't. 

(10-05-2021, 05:09 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Or if Herbert wins a playoff game before Burrow, which is exactly what happened with Dalton and Kaep.

(10-05-2021, 10:53 AM)bengalguy71 Wrote: Oh child pleeeeaaaase! 

The only way Bengals fan base turns on Burrow is if he becomes a Tyler Eifert injury mess, OR the team keeps repeating it's 30 year history in the 'outhouse'.

After 4 games:

Burrow - 72.9% - 988yds- 9TDs - 4 picks - 113.8 QBR

Herbert - 68.9% - 1178yds - 9TDs - 3 picks - 100.4 QBR

(10-06-2021, 11:40 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: Both are playing well  lets look at who they played


Burrow - 72.9% - 988yds- 9TDs - 4 picks - 113.8 QBR*
VS
Minnesota   1-3
Chicago       2-2
Pittsburgh     1-3
Jacksonville  0-4

Herbert - 68.9% - 1178yds - 9TDs - 3 picks - 100.4 QBR*
Washington   2-2
Cowboys       3-1
Chiefs           2-2
Raiders         3-1

(10-06-2021, 12:45 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: *passer rating

QBR is a entirely different thing.

(10-06-2021, 02:09 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: Here is the ESPN QBR breakdown per QBR with all the other stats added after 4 games.

Herbert 5th
Burrow 19th

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32071373/nfl-quarterback-rankings-2021-how-all-32-teams-qbs-stack-weekly-big-takeaways

(10-06-2021, 02:16 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: That's the fun thing about these subjective "stats/grades". QBR has him 19th. PFF grade has him #5.

(10-06-2021, 02:43 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: Link?

(10-06-2021, 03:48 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Burrow's yardage isn't great (20th in league), but that's because he has only the 29th most pass attempts in the league at 107.
Herbert has 164.
That's basically two extra games compared to Burrow.

If Burrow had as many attempts as Herbert has, he'd probably be around 1500 yards passing and 12+ TDs.

(10-06-2021, 04:17 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: My mistake. PFF has him at #6.

(10-06-2021, 04:21 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: . . . and Herbert at #4.  WAIT!!!  Does that mean I think Herbert is BETTER than Burrow?  No.  It just seals my OP that NEITHER QB would have been a mistake first draft pick in 2020 for this franchise!!  THAT'S IT!!