(10-13-2021, 10:18 AM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: I’ll just add that you can’t put drops in coaches unless those coaches put bad talent on the field when you have better talent not on the field running those routes.

Like the great read and throw by Burrow to Higgins late in the game for a first down only to have Higgins drop a first down catch and room to run. That’s a good call by the coaches, adjustment, reading the defense and throw by burrow but the execution at the end failed.

I know Higgins is a good receiver, I know he has good hands to make catches other receivers can’t, but it seems that he is having a slump. I’d like to see him get another ball or 2 thrown his way to try to work him out of it.

(10-13-2021, 08:24 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I'm sure all the other NFL teams are not going to worry about Chase (top 10 in receiving yards, TDs, and yds/reception), Burrow (top 10 in passer rating and TDs), or Higgins (1000+ yds in 17 starts) because they are "just kids".

The TDs they score are not worth as many points as the ones scored by "grown ups" in the NFL, right?

(10-13-2021, 09:39 AM)jj22 Wrote: Am I reading this right? We aren't able to take a coaches overall record when analyzing if he is a good coach or not? We can only use his current years record?

(10-13-2021, 11:08 AM)bfine32 Wrote: If you don't want folks to give their views on your threads, then just say so in the OP. 

(10-13-2021, 01:28 AM)Whatever Wrote: That's also a very fair point.  We're playing a lot of rookies and 2nd year guys on offense and several of the 2nd year guys have missed significant time with injury.  Lots of learning on the job going on.

(10-13-2021, 08:18 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: While a little harsh (Jonah has been very good, Uzo is solid, Burrow is really, really good) there is a lot of truth to this.   But I see a lot of the same things in LA (Chargers) and their coach is dropping 40 burgers on teams on a weekly basis.  He attacks with his best weapons.  And he varies the pace.  

For the love of God, though, can we come up with a play on 3rd or 4th and 1 or less that doesn't involve Burrow sneaking the ball.  Gets pushed back every time.  I would rather go empty with Mixon taking a direct snap and having one more player defenses have to account for as a true running threat or blocking.  

(10-13-2021, 08:24 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I'm sure all the other NFL teams are not going to worry about Chase (top 10 in receiving yards, TDs, and yds/reception), Burrow (top 10 in passer rating and TDs), or Higgins (1000+ yds in 17 starts) because they are "just kids".

The TDs they score are not worth as many points as the ones scored by "grown ups" in the NFL, right?

(10-13-2021, 11:46 AM)fredtoast Wrote: If you don't want people criticizing your comments then don't post them on a message board.

I'm still trying to figure out how "college talent" gets a player ranked in the top 10 in the NFL.

(10-12-2021, 11:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I get a kick out of a lot of people here who are constantly criticizing NFL coaches play calling and schemes.  95% of these fans could not tell you what type of scheme the opponent was running or how many different ways the Bengals have to block a running play or how many different route combinations the Bengals have in their playbook.

However, at the same time I may not be an engineer, but when I see a bridge falling apart I know something is wrong.

And that is kind of the way I feel about our offense right now.  I am not going to list the things I think the Bengals should change because I don't feel I am qualified.  But we have too much talent and things just never seem to run smoothly.  Our O-line is not great, but it is good enough to get better production than we are.

In another thread I started a while back I discussed how difficult it is to decide how much blame goes to the players and how much to the coaches.  One of the things I mentioned was third-down and red-zone possessions.  So far the Bengals have great in the red zone. Scoring a TD 80% of the time is third best in the league, but a very small sample size (8 of 10).  They are 23rd in third down conversion percentage (37.3), and 31st in third and short (1-2 yds)

Our offense is 28th in "drive success rate" (drive with at least one first down or td).  Way too many "three-and-outs".

Our O-line has not been real good, but pass protection has been decent. If we can't get push on third-and-short then we should just start passing on all those situations.  You don't need pass blocking to complete a 3-4 yard pass.  So far the Bengals have thrown on 43% of their third-and-short plays which is about exactly the same as the league average (41%).  The Steelers currently lead the league by throwing on 75% of their third-and-short plays and they have the league's third highest conversion percentage (83.3).  The Falcons throw on 64% of their third-and-short plays and have the 9th best conversion percentage (71.4).

I may not be able to see the fine details that need fixing, but our offense is underperforming for the talent we have.

(10-13-2021, 11:23 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Yep, you're sort of reading that right. New Head Coaches, like players improve over time. You could have a HC go 0-16 his first year, 3-13 his second year, then go to the Super Bowl in his 3rd year, and by your logic he would still be a bad coach because he went 3-29 his first two years, even if he coaches brilliantly in the 3rd year. This league has always been a "what have you done for me lately" league, and what you did last year doesn't mean squat. The only thing I care about is how a coach is doing this year. So far, Taylor is winning. Now let's see if it lasts. 

(10-12-2021, 11:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The O has college talent.

We have 3 players that have done anything of merit in the NFL:

Riley Reiff
Tyler Boyd
Joe "I'm hurt" Mixon

The rest are kids or journeymen

(10-13-2021, 02:57 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Football isn't that complicated - it really isn't. I think there's a TON of guys out there on social media and on the internet (PFF, Joe Goodberry, Kurt Warner's QB videos each week, Tony Pike, etc) that have credibility and do an EXCELLENT job of breaking down film from the games and critique it. 

I lean on those guys, watch their content, and learn to form my own opinion about how our team is playing. Many if not all of them share our same sentiments about how this offense is playing and how the play calling is going. 

(10-13-2021, 03:06 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: College talent? We have a QB who is 6th in passer rating, a wide receiver who is 6th in yards, and another guy who had close to 1,000 yards his rookie year. So you're saying age correlates success? 

Such a bad take. 

(10-12-2021, 11:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I get a kick out of a lot of people here who are constantly criticizing NFL coaches play calling and schemes.  95% of these fans could not tell you what type of scheme the opponent was running or how many different ways the Bengals have to block a running play or how many different route combinations the Bengals have in their playbook.

However, at the same time I may not be an engineer, but when I see a bridge falling apart I know something is wrong.

And that is kind of the way I feel about our offense right now.  I am not going to list the things I think the Bengals should change because I don't feel I am qualified.  But we have too much talent and things just never seem to run smoothly.  Our O-line is not great, but it is good enough to get better production than we are.

In another thread I started a while back I discussed how difficult it is to decide how much blame goes to the players and how much to the coaches.  One of the things I mentioned was third-down and red-zone possessions.  So far the Bengals have great in the red zone. Scoring a TD 80% of the time is third best in the league, but a very small sample size (8 of 10).  They are 23rd in third down conversion percentage (37.3), and 31st in third and short (1-2 yds)

Our offense is 28th in "drive success rate" (drive with at least one first down or td).  Way too many "three-and-outs".

Our O-line has not been real good, but pass protection has been decent. If we can't get push on third-and-short then we should just start passing on all those situations.  You don't need pass blocking to complete a 3-4 yard pass.  So far the Bengals have thrown on 43% of their third-and-short plays which is about exactly the same as the league average (41%).  The Steelers currently lead the league by throwing on 75% of their third-and-short plays and they have the league's third highest conversion percentage (83.3).  The Falcons throw on 64% of their third-and-short plays and have the 9th best conversion percentage (71.4).

I may not be able to see the fine details that need fixing, but our offense is underperforming for the talent we have.

(10-12-2021, 11:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I get a kick out of a lot of people here who are constantly criticizing NFL coaches play calling and schemes.  95% of these fans could not tell you what type of scheme the opponent was running or how many different ways the Bengals have to block a running play or how many different route combinations the Bengals have in their playbook.

However, at the same time I may not be an engineer, but when I see a bridge falling apart I know something is wrong.

And that is kind of the way I feel about our offense right now.  I am not going to list the things I think the Bengals should change because I don't feel I am qualified.  But we have too much talent and things just never seem to run smoothly.  Our O-line is not great, but it is good enough to get better production than we are.

In another thread I started a while back I discussed how difficult it is to decide how much blame goes to the players and how much to the coaches.  One of the things I mentioned was third-down and red-zone possessions.  So far the Bengals have great in the red zone. Scoring a TD 80% of the time is third best in the league, but a very small sample size (8 of 10).  They are 23rd in third down conversion percentage (37.3), and 31st in third and short (1-2 yds)

Our offense is 28th in "drive success rate" (drive with at least one first down or td).  Way too many "three-and-outs".

Our O-line has not been real good, but pass protection has been decent. If we can't get push on third-and-short then we should just start passing on all those situations.  You don't need pass blocking to complete a 3-4 yard pass.  So far the Bengals have thrown on 43% of their third-and-short plays which is about exactly the same as the league average (41%).  The Steelers currently lead the league by throwing on 75% of their third-and-short plays and they have the league's third highest conversion percentage (83.3).  The Falcons throw on 64% of their third-and-short plays and have the 9th best conversion percentage (71.4).

I may not be able to see the fine details that need fixing, but our offense is underperforming for the talent we have.

(10-12-2021, 11:35 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Situational play calling. Zac is terrible at it right now. Inconsistency; saying "that's how we are going to be", when he goes for it on 4th down on his own 30, then calls a run play on 3rd and 5 to get a couple yards closer for a long FG. 

(10-13-2021, 07:40 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: This is probably the real problem with Zac Taylor. We could easily be 5-0 right now but instead with Zac were 3-2 and should probably be 2-3. We can hope he learns as the season goes but if he doesn't with the way the defense is playing this will truly be a wasted season. This being his 3rd season I'm not optimistic.

(10-13-2021, 07:40 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: This is probably the real problem with Zac Taylor. We could easily be 5-0 right now but instead with Zac were 3-2 and should probably be 2-3. We can hope he learns as the season goes but if he doesn't with the way the defense is playing this will truly be a wasted season. This being his 3rd season I'm not optimistic.

(10-13-2021, 07:59 PM)Tony Wrote: Agree 100%... Without the coaching fails this team is 5-0 easily...