(11-22-2021, 11:00 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Based off what? Drew Sample, Ryan Finley, and Jackson Carman?

He sucked his way into Burrow, and the Bengals were guaranteed a great player at #5 this year so long as they didn't go QB.

Drafting hasn't really been great otherwise unless you're talking maybe McPherson, but he was universally the highest rated kicker in that draft so it wasn't exactly a diamond in the rough that he found or anything.

Marvin was obsessed with finding a OLB/DE hybrid who could rush the passer, and had a love of making guys change position with generally poor results. He said that Dennard was the best rookie CB he had ever seen, and then Dennard could barely get into a game until his 4th year.

I don't think either of them would make good GMs, I think we just say that when we don't think guys are good coaches, but they're good people... and because we've never had a GM, thus have never seen what an actual GM could do for the Bengals.

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As to the OP... Zac has improved, but he hardly could have gotten worse. I still don't think he's the answer and I think that for an offense built with Burrow/Mixon/Chase/Boyd/Higgins, it's not as good or consistent as it should be. He's not elevating anyone with his offense.

(11-22-2021, 07:49 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: We seem much better prepared this year compared to last 2. We seem to be open to running different personnel and using more misdirections and playing to strengths. He was really bad first 2 years he has improved to about average finally.

(11-23-2021, 11:59 AM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Not fair BTW I think Tobin is our defacto gm. Logan Wilson Pratt. It speaks volumes that Hodge got claimed by Dolphins. As far as Free Agency Mike Zac Duke Katie all meet. 85 percent of the input goes to Zac and Duke just a opinion. For all we know it was Tobin pushing for Hart to remain as long as he did.

(11-23-2021, 02:59 PM)Wyche Wrote: Yeah, you can't just look at the bad (perceived or actually bad) without looking at the good. You have Jonah Williams, Burrow*, Chase, Wilson, Ossai looked phenomenal, Pratt somewhat, ADG somewhat, Evans looks like a solid contributor moving forward, Tee, Money Mac, jury out on Carman, and then the FA targets/additions as well as moving on from guys like WJIII instead of overpaying to keep. Personnel wise, I really like what they have done. We are also the least penalized team in the league by far.

(11-23-2021, 03:08 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: All true. They have put a damn talented team together with leaders and they play disciplined which shows good coaching.

No one can deny that, not even TLL lol

Plus listing Jackson Carman as a bad pick is BS, he just got hurt right when he was coming into his own.

We have drafted well since Taylor has got here, a couple bad picks, namely Finley but that happens.

(11-23-2021, 03:12 PM)Wyche Wrote: Agreed, and I'm far from anointing these guys as a good staff, yet. Just trying to be objective. If we're being honest, all of us were at our rope's end going in to the season. We've seen some improvements, some of them drastic. Now to finish it off and earn themselves another shot. If they stumble to a losing record? Cut bait.

(11-23-2021, 03:43 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Hard to say. We have way better talent, and we're not trying to tank anymore. So that explains some of the improvement. I thought Zac's gameplans vs the Steelers and Ravens were top notch.

We've also had some duds though. Would we be better with a better scheme and game plans? Maybe. Hard to be mad at someone for wondering. I think at best, Zac still has to prove himself...and this last stretch (which looks moderately difficult, but has a bunch of home games) will tell us what we need to know.

I know people make similar claims every week, but the playoffs are on the line and the team is about as healthy as it gets. If we have a losing record over the next 7 games, that will he very telling, IMO. We're set up to win.

(11-22-2021, 09:48 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Agree with this and he definitely killed in the draft and FA. 

Think everything is trending up and Bengals should be a juggernaut the next couple of years if he keeps this core and adds a couple more pieces and even has a chance to make some noise this year.

If he does pan out ? Then he could be here for a very long time and that's worth the gamble in my book. Just don't see it as a time to cut bait with him now after all the great offseason moves he made. Plus he is already outdoing a lot of predictions on here about the Bengals win totals before the season began. Plus the players seem to really like him. 

   

(11-23-2021, 03:08 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: All true. They have put a damn talented team together with leaders and they play disciplined which shows good coaching.

No one can deny that, not even TLL lol

Plus listing Jackson Carman as a bad pick is BS, he just got hurt right when he was coming into his own.

We have drafted well since Taylor has got here, a couple bad picks, namely Finley but that happens.

(11-23-2021, 03:55 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: I would agree. Coming out of the bye and winning on the road was another check off the list for this squad....and that dates back to Marvin. If they can't win at least 3 more games, barring horrendous injury luck, I'd say stick a fork in em. The way the AFC is going right now, the playoffs are on the line EVERY week. I chalk a couple losses (CHI and CLE) up to bad turnovers, NYJ was the one where the gameplan seemed bad, and we still scored a lot. Against Cleveland, once we fell behind a couple of scores, we played right into their wheelhouse. You can't let Nick Chubb take over the game, you gotta make them beat you throwing the ball....and to be fair, they did some of that too...lol.

(11-23-2021, 08:46 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: Hard to tell if the roster improved or if the coaching did

(11-23-2021, 08:54 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: The roster has improved but most importantly, the health has improved.