(12-07-2021, 06:33 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Last year the Pats lost to the Seahawks because Bill did not use a timeout at the end of the game properly.

Not saying that Taylor is anywhere close to Belichick as a coach, but it is silly to act like Taylor is the only one that makes these type of mistakes.

(12-07-2021, 06:36 PM)kalibengal Wrote: How can you not be impressed by what Belichick has done in a Yr or so since Brady left? That D is stout as hell and his two star CBs are undrafted Free Agents!  Then he goes out and drafts a a perfect game manager type of QB like Mac Jones also has these impressive RBs like Stevenson that are mid rounders not to memtkon that moose FB and the O line is top tier....he built it for December /Jan football. They look to be headed deep into the playoffs and not looking into rear view mirrow anymore on losing GOAT.     

(12-07-2021, 07:17 PM)Synric Wrote: Bill Belicheat is one of the best defensive coaches in NFL history. Its not surprising he's got the Patriots defense playing lights out.

(12-07-2021, 06:25 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Hoody is also showing a rebuild can quickly occur.

(12-07-2021, 06:33 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Last year the Pats lost to the Seahawks because Bill did not use a timeout at the end of the game properly.

Not saying that Taylor is anywhere close to Belichick as a coach, but it is silly to act like Taylor is the only one that makes these type of mistakes.

(12-08-2021, 10:30 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick as his DC.

(12-08-2021, 11:07 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: What rebuild?

He added a QB, that's it. Nothing else.

(12-08-2021, 11:17 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: Michael Jordan never won an NBA Championship without Scottie Pippen as his sidekick. 

(12-08-2021, 10:22 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Who said I'm not impressed? I'd give both of reuben's testicles to get Belichick to coach the Bengals. Unfortunately, I don't think the Patriots will take anything less than Andy's dong.

(12-08-2021, 11:23 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Hunter Henry was their big FA signing, and they also added Trent Brown and Nelson Agholor. Agholor did have nearly 900 yards receiving last year. Not great, but WR2 numbers. Brown is playing at a really high level again back in NE after leaving the Raiders.

I think a lot has to do with their coaches, schemes, and mentality.
It's crazy how successful Josh McDaniels is as an OC, and more impressive that he has chosen to stay with NE instead of going elsewhere to be a HC again.
Bill's son Steve is the one who calls the defensive plays even though he's not technically the DC. He's been doing a phenomenal job.

The Bengals, on the other hand, have just "meh" coaches. 

(12-08-2021, 11:17 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: Michael Jordan never won an NBA Championship without Scottie Pippen as his sidekick. 

(12-08-2021, 11:07 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: What rebuild?

He added a QB, that's it. Nothing else.

It's clear as day that Cam and the 9 billion opt-outs hurt them significantly, last year; with everybody back and a competent QB at the helm, they're back to being #1 seeds.

They are not an apples to apples comparison to us in the slightest (re: your, "rebuild," comment).


Again, that wasn't on Zac but he took responsibility for it anyways (not sure why).

I'm not defending Zac in any of this, BTW, but people have to take the hate blinders off and see things for what they are; the fact is that our coaching staff is light years ahead of where they were 2 years ago and also significantly-improved from last year. Yes there will still be inconsistencies, but if they are in place after this year, I would think the expectation would be that they would continue to improve.

But how one can blame him for refs screwing up the clock like they did all game (and wasted time) and then compare an offensive PC to Bill Belichick (who has never called an offense in his life, someone correct me if I'm wrong) after an OFFENSIVE anomaly, is just a misguided, stupid, non-apples to apples comparison of the situation.

(12-08-2021, 02:54 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: You're as wrong as can be about "nothing else". the Patriots had a busy offseason rebuilding their team. I refer you to:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32167432/will-new-england-patriots-see-results-spending-163-million-free-agency

https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2021/11/26/patriots-free-agent-signings-stats-performance-matt-judon-kyle-van-noy-hunter-henry-jonnu-smith-nelson-agholor-kendrick-bourne/

In addition to drafting a new franchise QB, they also used free agency by targeting specific players for their rebuild. It wasn't just about transitioning from Brady to Cam to Mac.

(12-08-2021, 03:14 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I did forget about Judon, that's a big oversight.

The rest are all former players/little contributors, save for Bourne; in 2 years, we added 9 new FA STARTERS on D (one has been injured, sadly), 2 FA starters on Oline and drafted 1 starter on D, as well as 4 starters on offense, in 2 years. Again, aside from Waynes being injured, all of those above additions have contributed greatly to the bulk of the team's snaps, not a few role players and guys that were brought back.

Not saying that we're the model of how to rebuild, but we have literally improved through ALL our pickups; the Patriots just had a ton of guys opt out last year, got them all back and signed a handful of FAs, while only drafting 3 players that have contributed.

Of their 8 draft picks, only 4 have played and only 3 have played meaningful snaps (because they're already good at those positions). Of our 10, 7 have played and 6 have contributed to the team, with the 3 missing time due to injury and not ineffectiveness (though I have a feeling Hubert wouldn't have done much, especially with a healthy Ossai).

If Mac Jones came out last year and played for the Patriots, they would've still made the playoffs, even with the opt-outs. Newton was the destroyer of the 2020 season for them.

(12-08-2021, 01:03 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Exactly that; they got rid of Newton, got their opt-outs back and added 2, "new," players (and Henry hasn't done a whole lot, outside of the 7 TDs). I put new in quotes because Brown was with them previously. Brown also has only played 5 games, so he hasn't done much either.

I get your sentiment on the coaching, but I wouldn't say we have, "meh," coaches; before this year, absolutely (would be even more disparaging than, "meh," TBH), but they have been given time to improve and they clearly have, as well as bringing in new line coaches that have undoubtedly improved the team immensely.

They don't set the world on fire, but the games called, the players reactions and the culture, show that the current staff has improved and may help the team reach heights it hasn't in decades.

Another season like the last 2 and it would be time to move on, but time will tell the worth of the staff, at this point.