(02-02-2022, 10:45 AM)ochocincos Wrote: It's not Geoff's propaganda.
Spotrac estimates the 31st pick alone will be $2.3 mill.
You need to add potentially all the picks making the roster, which could be $6-7 mill in total.
Then you have to have IR reserve, which most teams (Bengals especially) reserve between $2-5 mill.
Therefore, it's safe to assume that the Bengals will hold on to ~$10 mill going into the draft.

(02-02-2022, 11:30 AM)Bengalfan11164 Wrote: https://overthecap.com/draft/
The effective amount of cap space the Bengals need for the ENTIRETY of their 2022 picks is $2,684,645.


Look at the data.  


Each player drafted displaces an existing (often veteran) player; typically, the drafted player is cheaper than the displaced player.  


The 1st rounder and the 2nd rounder are typically more than the displaced player, but the 3rd - 7th rounders are cheaper.  


Don't believe Geoff Hobson's propaganda.  

(02-02-2022, 10:45 AM)ochocincos Wrote: (I did see you mentioned Tate and Reiff getting new contracts...I don't want Tate back, and Reiff can't stay healthy. No thanks)

(02-02-2022, 11:47 AM)Bengalfan11164 Wrote: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReifRi00.htm

Odd.  Of 160 possible games over 10 seasons, Reiff has missed 14, or 8.75%.  5 of those 14 happened this year in 2021.  

In 2020, Tate had 14 receptions.  He had 3 prior to injury this year. 
In 2021, there were 11 receptions for the non-top-3 receivers -  Thomas (5), Taylor (2), Irwin (2), Morgan (2).  

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/cin/season/2021/seasontype/2

Tate isn't a world-beater, but is a solid (inexpensive) 4th WR especially with the Bengals drafting later round WR competition to compete for the off-the-bench snaps (a la Sanu in 3rd & Marvin Jones in 5th).

(02-02-2022, 11:44 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Displacement is true if the Bengals have enough players on the roster already, but they don't right now.

A safe bet is expecting that every veteran player will cost $1 mill or more.
Heck, even Jordan Evans costs basically $1 mill ($987k).

So you're going to need AT LEAST $17 mill just to fill every open spot with a vet.

It's also a reality that there are very few quality veterans who sign for just $1 mill APY.
You're going to get players like Mike Evans or Jordan Evans at that price.
So you're going to want to spend way more than $1 mill on a player who you think is going to be a quality player.

(02-02-2022, 12:30 PM)Bengalfan11164 Wrote: I don't feel that the Bengals have a significant fewer amount of contracts in 2022 than they did in 2021.  

16 practice squad players.  
Plus UDFAs.
Plus retained Bengal UFA.
Plus acquired UFA.  

If Bates signs long term contract, then the Bengals prorated signing bonus will free up even more cap space.  As is the case when any of the signed UFAs. 

Hendrickson signed 4 yr/$60mm contract.  2021 salary cap hit was $2.5mm under average.  
Awuzie - 3 yr/$21.7 - 2021 was $1 million under average

Again, don't let Hobson's propaganda confuse you.  There is plenty of cash.  

(02-02-2022, 02:24 PM)schroomytunes Wrote: We are in a great position to open up the draft again to BPA if we shore up our own FA's and get @ 2 outside guys in FA.

My Strategy:

1) Cut Tre Waynes- frees up another 11 million towards the cap, which gives us @ 70 million to spend.

2) Re-sign our own: (Millions per)

- BJ Hill- DT- (7)- it's either him or Ogunjobi.
- CJ Uzomeh-TE- (6)
- Kevin Huber-P (1.7)
- Clark Harris- LS (1)
- Brandon Allen-QB (1)
- Eli Apple-CB (4)
- Tre Flowers-CB (1.5)
- Jesse Bates-FS (10) we sign to a long term deal something like 4/40
- Quentin Spain-G (7)
- Mike Thomas-WR/ST (1)

total internal FA's = @ 42 million

3) Outside FA's

- Morgan Moses-RT (Washington) (7)- shores up the RT position, 3/21
- Mason Cole-C (Vikings) (2)- I like him as a solid experienced IOL backup over Hill.
- Malcolm Smith- OLB (Browns) (3)- I like him as an added insurance and improves the overall LB core depth.

-- total outside FA's = @ 12 million.

- I feel our core is solid already, Moses/Cole upgrade the O-line now and it allows us to draft an O-lineman in 1-3 to eventually start, and we can continue to build through the draft. The FA savings will allow us to extend some of our own.

4) Draft ( 1-4 rd)

1rd) Daxton Hill-CB/S (Michigan)- he strengthens the overall defense

2nd) Max Mitchell- OT (Louisiana)- gives us a RT of the future. 6'6 305

3rd) John Ridgeway-DT (Arkansas)- solid D-line rotational guy 6'2 320

4th) Cole Turner-TE ( Nevada) - 6'6 240, would be a nice red zone over the middle target.

(02-02-2022, 03:19 PM)Synric Wrote: I dont think Quinton Spain will cost all that much. He has been solid in pass protection not perfect and still very inconsistent as a run blocker. Add in his age I would say closer to 4.5m.

(02-02-2022, 12:30 PM)Bengalfan11164 Wrote: I don't feel that the Bengals have a significant fewer amount of contracts in 2022 than they did in 2021.  

16 practice squad players.  
Plus UDFAs.
Plus retained Bengal UFA.
Plus acquired UFA.  

If Bates signs long term contract, then the Bengals prorated signing bonus will free up even more cap space.  As is the case when any of the signed UFAs. 

Hendrickson signed 4 yr/$60mm contract.  2021 salary cap hit was $2.5mm under average.  
Awuzie - 3 yr/$21.7 - 2021 was $1 million under average

Again, don't let Hobson's propaganda confuse you.  There is plenty of cash.  

(02-02-2022, 04:21 PM)ochocincos Wrote: It kind of frustrates me that people are more focused on not keeping Bates instead of talking about Daxton Hill as a viable starting FS.

If the cap can work itself out to keep Bates and still upgrade the OL enough, I'd be fine swapping out Daxton Hill for an OL or DL that I think could be a worthy starter. With that said, Hill is a prospect I think very highly of and think he can do very well right away as a starter. Probably more confident in him starting than any DL or OL starting that the Bengals would draft.

(02-02-2022, 05:06 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Because rookies are a major crap shoot.  I don't think we let Bates walk, nor should we.  At least franchise him for $13 million and go from there.  

I'm also not a fan of replacing a bunch of guys on the o-line.  At some point, cohesion and chemistry will trump just adding players.  There's no way that I get rid of Spain, the left side isn't broken.  We obviously need a RG/RT.  I could see 1 brought in and then a competition from there.

This roster, even though it made the Super Bowl, still has holes.  

(02-02-2022, 06:10 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Would you be willing to let Uzomah, Ogunjobi, and/or Hill leave in FA in order to keep Spain and Bates and fill RG and RT in FA?
I say that because it's highly unlikely the Bengals will spend on a Daniels/Moses type of guy if they re-sign all their main guys hitting FA.

Also, I don't agree fully with the sentiment that rookies are a crap shoot.
Most are, but sufficient scouting should provide enough info to indicate if someone can start as a rookie and succeed.
I personally think Daxton Hill can start as a rookie and succeed.
Any player I'd take in Rd 1, I'd ideally look to start and succeed as a rookie.
I think the DBs are more suited for immediate contributions in late Rd 1 this draft. OL I'm really concerned about. That's why I filled all the starting OL spots with FAs.

(02-02-2022, 04:21 PM)ochocincos Wrote: It kind of frustrates me that people are more focused on not keeping Bates instead of talking about Daxton Hill as a viable starting FS.

(02-03-2022, 07:42 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: This has been proven year after year to be incorrect, hence why we there are so many guys that never really pan out.

As far as free agency goes, I don't see them adding more than 1 lineman at a higher price, so I do thing we will re-sign every one that we want back.  They can probably re-sign everyone that they want for around $45-50 million.  That leaves enough for a couple of free agents.

(02-03-2022, 10:42 PM)Synric Wrote: I said in one of your other mocked that if you're going to let Bates walk Daxton Hill is the guy to replace him with...problem is it's a lateral move at best. Jessie Bates is playing championship football in the playoffs he is a veteran that is a leader of the Defensive Backfield. He is the reason they can play a ton of single high successfully. 

(02-03-2022, 10:48 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Lateral move is fine because Hill would be way cheaper than Bates.
It should be cheaper to get an upgrade at OG or RT than it will be to keep Bates, but I understand wanting to keep him.

If Bates is kept, we might have to see some of Ogunjobi, Hill, Uzomah, Spain, Reiff, and Apple leave in FA.
(Notice I said some of, not implying they all would not get re-signed).

Perhaps I'm overvaluing what they'll get offered on the open market, but I don't feel like I am.