(02-25-2022, 07:59 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Exactly.  Frank Pollack seems to be a decent coach, so let's get him some better raw materials to work with.

(03-01-2022, 06:38 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: I voted G because of the possibility to draft Lindenbaum.  Hopkins, in his 2nd year after surgery, is a massive upgrade over the other guys as of right now.  I think Smith and Adeniji are tackles and Carman needs to figure out consistency and a work ethic.  I am not giving up on the guy in any way, though.

(03-01-2022, 06:45 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: This would normally be the way of it if Hop played as good at Guard as he did Center.

When I have watched Hopkins play Guard he has been bad. Don't know why he plays so much better at Center but he does.

If Linderbaum falls to us it is a no brainer though, I see some mocks have teams passing on him cause he is undersized.

Sounds good to me, take him. On the field he was by far the best Center in college last year don't care if he is a smaller Center.

(03-01-2022, 06:59 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: I hear ya, Nate, but I disagree on Hopkins....He was a very solid guard.  And RG would be ideal for him now...

Athleticism is an underrated quality in interior linemen.  Pouncey was a top Center and didn't weigh 300 lbs.  From everything I have seen, Lindenbaum is an elite prospect.  Him under Center and Hopkins at RG with a FA tackle like Armstead makes this team a Super Bowl Champ...not just a contender.  

And FWIW, with all the turmoil around the league for QBs, and the cap issues facing some teams, I think the Bengals have a real shot even without a massive overhaul on the line.  But I still hope it happens. 

(03-01-2022, 07:15 PM)ezekiel23 Wrote: First up,The Bengals need to go after an elite LT in free agency,then move Jonah Williams to RT.Resign Spain at LG,and keep Hopkins at Center.When healthy,Hopkins is a good,not great center.Then,last but not least,You go after an Elite RG in free agency.It’s going to get pretty expensive going after pro bowl caliber LT and RG,but I think the Bengals can pull it off if they’re determined to do it.It May involve some trades,or  giving up some draft picks,but at this point,who cares.

Joe Burrow was sacked 51 times in the regular season.Led the NFL.Was sacked 19 times in postseason season,for an NFL record of 70 total sacks.

(03-01-2022, 07:23 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Definitely would be awesome to get both Armstead (if he can stay healthy) and Linderbaum. I just think we can do much better
than what I have seen from Hop at RG. Heck I have more faith in Carman there than Hop from what I have seen. I would like to 
get James Daniels and Trent Brown if we are going for youth along with Linderbaum and I think this would be a SB Champ OL.

Armstead is older than Trent Brown by like 4 years, I know Trent has had problems being motivated but that might change with 
him coming over to block for Burrow.

(03-02-2022, 09:49 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I had not heard that.  I sure don't want to break the chemistry of this group with a vet that is just drawing a check.  Not saying he is that, but you get what I am saying.  The fit has to match the talent. 

Carman is only 21 and has serious strength and upside, but I don't know about his development.  He seems to be a bit stubborn as though he has always done it this way and has been viewed as a very good lineman.  I question his work ethic and desire more than his outright talent, and that is too bad because he has flashed massive potential, but there is nothing more detrimental to a young talent than a lack of desire or coachability.  

Quote:He’s a Pro Bowl, field-tilting talent if he’s healthy, if he’s motivated, if he’s with Bill Belichick. He has more value to the Patriots than anyone else -- and even for New England, he’s a big risk. 

(03-02-2022, 10:02 AM)TecmoBengals Wrote: This page mentions Brown's motivational pitfalls: https://www.nfl.com/news/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2022-who-are-the-best-nfl-players-available

(03-02-2022, 10:11 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I was talking about Armstead.  I knew this about Brown...(still wanted him over the lame ass LB from Texas we took).  

(03-02-2022, 09:49 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I had not heard that.  I sure don't want to break the chemistry of this group with a vet that is just drawing a check.  Not saying he is that, but you get what I am saying.  The fit has to match the talent. 

Carman is only 21 and has serious strength and upside, but I don't know about his development.  He seems to be a bit stubborn as though he has always done it this way and has been viewed as a very good lineman.  I question his work ethic and desire more than his outright talent, and that is too bad because he has flashed massive potential, but there is nothing more detrimental to a young talent than a lack of desire or coachability.  

(03-02-2022, 11:29 AM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Hobson said if Bengals sign a premier LT Jonah would more than likely move to LG. RT doesnt seem to be a option
So we would have a potential starting line up of Armstead  LT Jonah LG Jensen C Daniels RG Moses RT. not resigning others and releasing Waynes their should be enough money.

(03-02-2022, 09:49 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I had not heard that.  I sure don't want to break the chemistry of this group with a vet that is just drawing a check.  Not saying he is that, but you get what I am saying.  The fit has to match the talent. 

Carman is only 21 and has serious strength and upside, but I don't know about his development.  He seems to be a bit stubborn as though he has always done it this way and has been viewed as a very good lineman.  I question his work ethic and desire more than his outright talent, and that is too bad because he has flashed massive potential, but there is nothing more detrimental to a young talent than a lack of desire or coachability.  

(03-02-2022, 11:19 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Was there some interview or something that gave you that impression?

I would assume/hope the Bengals asked questions with all the draft picks leading up to the draft to ask them about their coaching style preference, how they best learn, etc.

(03-02-2022, 11:23 AM)JungleRock85 Wrote: I am good with releasing him and using that 7 million dollars elsewhere but I am also comfortable with him playing one more year as the starting Center. Coming off the injury took him a while to get back to form but he played well most of the 2nd half of the season. If we upgrade around him he will be fine. I don't like moving him to Guard because that just doesn't seem like a move a team that was so close to winning the Super Bowl should have to make. If he is kept as depth whatever but I do not want him penciled in as a starting guard.

(03-02-2022, 11:41 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Keep in mind that that would leave the defense heavily depleted.
3 DL are hitting FA: Ogunjobi, Hill, Tupou
1 LB hitting FA: Evans
5 DBs are hitting FA/retired: Bates, Allen, Apple, Phillips, Flowers
Remove Waynes and that's 6 DBs to worry about replacing.
Note that I'm perfectly in agreement with moving on from Waynes, but the Bengals can't just address the defense with draft picks or super cheap FAs.
They'll need a CB2, CB4, CB5, FS1, SS2.
You also need to worry about starting TE.

So yes, while they could have enough money to sign 3 new OL, they do have a lot of other positions to worry about too.
I think Bengals only have room to maybe get two new OL starters in FA unless they look to cut Waynes and Hopkins/Boyd. Maybe all three if that's what it takes to really upgrade the OL while keeping the defense mostly intact.
I'm ok with trying to get a starter or two from the draft, but you can't bank on more rookie starters than that.

(03-02-2022, 05:45 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: we keep Bates use our first round pick on a decent DT prospect. resign Apple he should be cheap Everything else is depth pieces for draft and cheap Free agents