(04-05-2022, 02:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote:  I KNOW I've been consistent in my POV.

(04-05-2022, 02:57 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Ha ha no I’m not. 

(04-05-2022, 04:37 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes you are.

You can't give him credit for a decrease in injuries unless you also blame his for the high number we had in '19 and '20.

And, of course, if injuries go up this year coaching will be the reason for that also.

You can't just pick and chose to give Zac credit for everything good and no blame for anything bad.

(04-05-2022, 04:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So if we face an increase in injuries this year you will say it is because of coaching?

(04-05-2022, 05:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As the article stats it will be "luck"; the point of the article was to demonstrate practices Zac and the staff employed to attempt to mitigate as best they saw fit. I applaud the analytics and believe there is a lot of merit to making recovery and avoiding exhaustion a huge part of preventing soft tissue injuries. Others just wanna throw stones because they've stuck their foot in their mouths in the past and are unwilling to adapt their stance.

Being consistent is not a virtue when your original point has been proven to be off target. For instance I thought drafting Chase was a mistake and questioned his mentality. I was proven wrong and no longer am consistent in this thought. 

(04-05-2022, 05:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Being consistent is not a virtue when your original point has been proven to be off target. 

(04-05-2022, 05:18 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Fred can’t bear to give Taylor any credit. 

(04-05-2022, 05:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: My original point has not been proven to be off target.  Injuries are pretty random.  There is lots of data that proves this.  

It is silly to claim that the exact same coach with the exact same training staff with the exact same information "managed" to stay healthy this year after they had a team in 2020 that was destroyed by injuries.

I am not attacking Zac in any way.  I am not saying he did anything wrong.  But I have ALWAYS said that coaching and/or training staff really could not do much to prevent injuries because they are based mostly on luck. 

You all are the ones claiming Zac screwed up in '19 and '20.  And at the same time you are saying I am the one attacking Zac.

This is nuts.

(04-05-2022, 05:08 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I don’t know if their protocols were the same in 2021 as 2020. If they changed some things then that leads to major credence although it would still be a small sample size. We need to find out and I can do that pretty easily.

(04-05-2022, 05:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote:  Only you know if it was to mitigate any credit Zac may be given or to simply point out Injuries are mostly luck. THE EXACT same thing the article said. 

(04-05-2022, 02:34 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Still waiting for someone to correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember them NOT doing light practices their first two years, which makes that snark completely moot and incorrect.

(04-05-2022, 05:30 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This is just a total and complete lie.

I have given Zac tons of credit for taking us to the Super Bowl.  If you keep lying like this I will look up the posts to prove it.

What is with you people here that make everything personal?

(04-05-2022, 06:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: By "easily" do you mean contacting your super secret behind-the-scene source?

Or do you mean just reading the story you posted?

".  .  .   but expect head coach Zac Taylor and strength and conditioning coach Joey Boese to utilize the same tactics they’ve been using since arriving in Cincinnati."

(04-05-2022, 06:04 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If you actually read the article you would realize this is what it said.




"Winning is hard, but staying healthy is hard and unpredictable. Or is it?



For the Cincinnati Bengals, they seem to have a grasp on managing it."

Quote:The type of health the Bengals enjoyed this past year does go back to luck. Injuries always do. However, the Bengals are ultra-reliant on the technology that tells them when guys are fatigued, overextended or just need days off at practice. Taylor focused his offseason routines, camp practices and season schedules on keeping players fresh for Sundays. It’s tough to pull back on practice reps, but when trainer Joey Boese says his eyes and the numbers say to back off, he’s done it.....

Avoiding the injury bug altogether is impossible, the game is too violent to come out squeaky clean. But Taylor and Boese seem to have found their footing when it comes to managing their players and keeping them healthy as much as they can. We’ll see if it translates for a second-straight year.

(04-05-2022, 08:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I read the article...I just didn't stop after the first paragraph:


As I said: Only you know why you wanted to throw shade on the techniques Zac employed by focusing on the "luck" part of the article and not considering the mitigation steps the staff took. Most likely just "keeping it real". 

(04-05-2022, 10:05 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: As this espn article indicated, they've been doing this since Zac got here. Definately a luck component. But, it is also a new school technique. The article talked about how analytics showed that practices 3 days in a row resulted in more injuries. So to some extent, they may be making some of their luck.

Amazing what happens when you land a franchise qb and wr and sign some impact free agents. Things that were once criticizes are applauded.

Here's the espn article again from 2019:
https://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/31380/zac-taylors-plan-for-bengals-keep-things-fun-and-players-fresh

(04-05-2022, 07:18 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Crickets

(04-05-2022, 07:22 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I messaged Paul

(04-05-2022, 11:26 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Good god, you're a necromancer?