(04-13-2022, 09:54 AM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: I understand why people want Zion over Tyler because getting either player could make this line elite because both are absolute studs. But is Zion an elite zone blocker? Honest question.

I figure that the FO are over the top happy having Pollack back, and it might be him staying here for a long time. So the outside zone scheme might be the blocking staple moving forward for several years. We know Linderbaum most likely will be elite in this system, and it’s perfectly fine to have a player that fits the system if that system were to stick around for potentially many years and makes him an all pro.

So it might sound like I’m overhyping Tyler, but if they were to take him and move Karras to LG, who is better there than at C from what I’ve read, and make the offense as an entire whole elite (QB/OL/WR and TE/RB…seriously) then I consider Linderbaum a slam dunk at 31 for the scheme and even worth trading up for. That’s my opinion and why I think it’s not close…even though I am still all for Zion Johnson if that makes any sense.

(04-13-2022, 10:43 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If you watch Linerbaum's highlights, most of them are of him movement.  Either in the running game getting out on a defender or pulling with precision, getting out there on screen passes, drop backs with moving pockets, etc. His highlight reel features very few straight drop back sets, where he must maintain his base against 2 gappers and NTs, like he's going to see all of the time in the NFL.

Whereas with Johnson, the dude is big and powerful, can go one on one with strength against strength, and has the length to keep extreme power at arm's length. 

(04-13-2022, 10:43 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If you watch Linerbaum's highlights, most of them are of him movement.  Either in the running game getting out on a defender or pulling with precision, getting out there on screen passes, drop backs with moving pockets, etc. His highlight reel features very few straight drop back sets, where he must maintain his base against 2 gappers and NTs, like he's going to see all of the time in the NFL.

Whereas with Johnson, the dude is big and powerful, can go one on one with strength against strength, and has the length to keep extreme power at arm's length. 

(04-13-2022, 12:41 PM)Whatever Wrote: I would say the big question with him in outside zone is can he disengage from crafty NFL NT's who will hold him to keep him from getting to those second level blocks?  

I mentioned awhile back that Iowa runs the ball over 55% of the time and a lot of their passes are screens or play action from under center.  Can he handle the sheer volume of true pass sets he will have in Zac's offense?

Another issue that people are overlooking is the Bengals moving Karras can lead to a number of issues.  Karras obviously believes his best position and his best chance to maximize his value for his next contract is at C.  The Bengals have said he's the starting C.  Now, you want to move him to LG and have him compete with a 2nd round pick you have high hopes for.  Easy to see there being an immediate disconnect between the player/agent and the coaches/FO when literally the first promise you made him was bullshit.  

(04-13-2022, 12:41 PM)Whatever Wrote: I would say the big question with him in outside zone is can he disengage from crafty NFL NT's who will hold him to keep him from getting to those second level blocks?  

I mentioned awhile back that Iowa runs the ball over 55% of the time and a lot of their passes are screens or play action from under center.  Can he handle the sheer volume of true pass sets he will have in Zac's offense?

Another issue that people are overlooking is the Bengals moving Karras can lead to a number of issues.  Karras obviously believes his best position and his best chance to maximize his value for his next contract is at C.  The Bengals have said he's the starting C.  Now, you want to move him to LG and have him compete with a 2nd round pick you have high hopes for.  Easy to see there being an immediate disconnect between the player/agent and the coaches/FO when literally the first promise you made him was bullshit.  

(04-13-2022, 01:18 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Out of all the mocks I’ve done I’ve only had Zion still be on the board at 31 once. Linderbaum a handful of times. I do think that’s probably at least somewhat predictive of how it will go.

The guy that’s been there the most (as far as OL) is Green.

(04-13-2022, 01:18 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Out of all the mocks I’ve done I’ve only had Zion still be on the board at 31 once. Linderbaum a handful of times. I do think that’s probably at least somewhat predictive of how it will go.

The guy that’s been there the most (as far as OL) is Green.

(04-13-2022, 01:23 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Anyone know why Green seems to be falling?
For the longest time, he was consensus OG1.

Maybe it's because of his Combine performance?
I know he had a bad shuttle and didn't do the 3-cone, so I could see teams thinking he's not athletic enough for their scheme.

TDN compares him to Elgton Jenkins, who has been really good for GB.
NFL.com compares him to Richie Incognito, who was one of the best OGs for a long time (despite being a POS).

(04-13-2022, 01:38 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: TDNs board has has Linderbaum and more OL falling to 31 and into day 2. I’ve been picking Linderbaum with Green and Johnson sometimes on the board still. In all those mocks all the DBs are gone.

His combine numbers were garbage. That’s why I’ve seen him slide to the middle of 2 recently.

(04-13-2022, 01:40 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What do you mean by their board?
When I hear "board," I think of prospect rankings. TDN's prospect rankings has Linderbaum at 13.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/prospect-rankings

Now if you mean their mocks, that's different.

(04-13-2022, 01:57 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: Mocks, or the mocks I have done recently at least.

(04-13-2022, 08:34 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It’s just something extra that I like about him, so I mentioned it. Jeez…

It’s not like he doesn’t have fantastic tape (and now testing) to go along with it. And I don’t disagree that Zion is safer. He probably is.

I’d be happy with either one, but I’d be more excited about Linderbaum’s potential. Especially after seeing Creed Humphrey come in and dominate the league during his rookie year. If Linderbaum comes anywhere close to that, and we have Karras playing LG - our OL could be a huge strength.