(11-11-2015, 10:04 AM)Au165 Wrote: They have had Gronk before and lost. Stopping Gronk isn't the issue, it is stopping Brady. To stop Brady you have to get to him quickly. I feel good that Geno and Carlos can get there. With the loss of Deion Lewis they lose a huge weapon out of the backfield. Of course it won't be easy, but getting to Brady is the key.

(11-11-2015, 10:50 AM)djs7685 Wrote: I don't know, probably the same guy you're trying to bench to activate a rookie TE that's never even active and may not have ever dropped back in coverage in his life in an attempt to "disrupt" the most dominant TE in the NFL??

Yeah, that guy.

(11-10-2015, 09:53 PM)Slappy from New Haven Wrote: Sounds interesting but teaching someone to flip their hips after punching forward is not learned in a couple weeks. It has to do with leverage and balance. Reference Taylor Mays....still hasn't learned how to turn his hips

(11-11-2015, 11:02 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I am only talking about a one game stunt.  I would never say Uzo should be an every day player.

If you are saying play Mays as a LB in our nickle and dime scheme, then it is not that bad of an idea.  I was just pointing out that it is better to let Miller get 105 and hold the Steelers to 262 passing yards than hold him to 32 but give up 413.

(11-11-2015, 10:54 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Brady is not the special if we can take away Gronk.

(11-11-2015, 11:17 AM)Au165 Wrote: WHAT!? Now you are just trolling. You literally just said a future hall of fame QB, and in argument for best ever, is not that special without a TE who he hasn't had most his career.

(11-10-2015, 11:28 PM)Au165 Wrote: Simple they would just motion him, or put him in a bunch off the line, or line him up in the backfield next to Brady like a two back set out of shotgun, all easy ways to make it impossible to jam him but now you have a guy in coverage with zero coverage ability.  You put a guy out there in coverage who can't cover all that does is give them something to expose once they nullify the one thing he may be able to do. Gronk will be a factor but when teams start trying to get to cute and out think themselves that is when they melt down(see Grudens brilliant plan to not throw to AJ in Houston).

(11-11-2015, 11:21 AM)djs7685 Wrote: Well now you've done it.

Fred is going to post Brady's 2013 stats as if they somehow "prove" that Brady sucks without Gronk, even though there were many other factors to consider with his lower than usual passer rating.

(11-11-2015, 11:51 AM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: The next time Fred starts ripping on anyone, this thread needs to immediately be referenced.  

How many calls for defensive holding or contact beyond five yards to you allow before stopping the experiment?  How many catches do you allow Gronk to have, because he simply blows past the guy who has no experience in coverage, before you stop the experiment?  We're talking about maybe the best tight end ever, but certainly the best tight end in the game today, and they are going to cover him with a backup tight end who, with the exception of the playground, has maybe never covered anyone in his life??

(11-11-2015, 11:53 AM)fredtoast Wrote: If they try it and it doesn't work then you can rip me.  Otherwise your opinion is no more valid than mine.

(11-11-2015, 11:53 AM)fredtoast Wrote: If they try it and it doesn't work then you can rip me.  Otherwise your opinion is no more valid than mine.

(11-11-2015, 11:52 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I'll just post the numbers and let you explain what other factors applied specifically to the games Gronk played that year.

7 games with Gronk........95.8 passer rating....315.0 yds/game....5 games with 90+ passer rating
9 games with no Gronk...80.3 passer rating....237.6 yds/game....2 games with 90+ passer rating

(11-11-2015, 11:13 AM)djs7685 Wrote: I'm sure Belichick would love to see us putting our rookie TE on Gronkowski to start the game. He'd probably, literally, laugh out loud on the sidelines. I guess it would be a way to get him to crack a smile if that's your end game.

(11-10-2015, 09:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Start training him right now to play press coverage against Gronk.  He doesn't have to learn how to drop in a zone.  He doesn't have to learn how to read formations to decide who he will cover.  All he has to do is learn how to get up in Gronk's face; disrupt his timing as he comes off the line of scrimmage; beat him up for 5 yards; then flip his hips and pray that he has help behind him.

Gronkowski...6'6", 265, 4.65 forty
Uzomah........6'5', 265, 4.65 forty


Might as well make him a safety for one game.  he isn't doing anything else for the team

(11-11-2015, 12:04 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Funny you should mention Belichick since he flipped a WR (Troy Brown) to DB in the middle of the '03 season and went to the Super Bowl, then continued to play Brown there in '04 when and was second on the team in interceptions.

Then again in 2011 Belichick played WR Julian Edelman at DB.

And of course Belichick is the coach who got 8 td receptions from lining up LB Mike Vrabel at TE.



Basically what I am saying is that i am thinking like one of the greatest coaches in history and you all are thinking like cavemen.  Asking a TE to learn a limited coverage role is not like teaching a guy brain surgery.  Uzo is one of the rare athletes than can match Gronk's physical abilities.  Add the element of surprise and it could work for one game.

(11-11-2015, 11:53 AM)fredtoast Wrote: If they try it and it doesn't work then you can rip me.  Otherwise your opinion is no more valid than mine.

(11-11-2015, 12:04 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Basically what I am saying is that i am thinking like one of the greatest coaches in history and you all are thinking like cavemen.

(11-10-2015, 11:12 PM)Slappy from New Haven Wrote: And the minute the best TE in the NFL gets past 5 yards with a guy that hasn't defended or they call favorable penalties then what do you do.

This is stupid Fred