(08-05-2022, 07:57 AM)pally Wrote: Tee was drafted as a WR1 to replace AJ Green. They had no plans at that time to go WR in 2021 too. Ja’Marr wasn’t drafted because of perceived or real deficiencies in Tee’s game. He was drafted because it was the chance of a football lifetime.
On all but a handful of NFL teams Tee would be WR1. And unlike TJ, thrive in the role.

(08-05-2022, 12:35 AM)Whatever Wrote: The sad thing is that a lot of these 1b type WR's fail when either they bolt to another team and become the WR1 or their team lets the WR1 walk thinking the 1b is a true WR1. Anquan Boldin had 5 1000 yard seasons with Fitzgerald in AZ, but only two the rest of his career.  Or look at JuJu and Mike Williams with the Steelers.  Looking at Bengals history, there was Darnay Scott when Pickens left.  Also look at TJ who was cut only one year into the 5 year deal he signed with the Seahawks.  

If someone gives up a 1st next year for Higgins, I would probably take it.  Otherwise, I would plan on letting him play out his rookie deal and walking.

(08-04-2022, 01:46 PM)pally Wrote: Like always, look to the guaranteed money that is almost always the sticking point with Bengals contracts these days.

(08-04-2022, 10:40 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Exactly, plus Tee has always been a Bengal fan. I think he would tell that agent he wants to stay here even if it is for a little less.

Unlike Jessie. Still think Tee gets paid more than 18 mil per year by somebody, better production with a lot less targerts than Diontae.

(08-05-2022, 10:33 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’d say it’s a good deal more than a handful. I’d currently put Tee in about the 10-15 range.

(08-05-2022, 11:37 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Boldin had over 1,300 yards in a season before Fitzgerald was even in the NFL He also put an entire team on his back and won a SB ring (and got Flacco paid as an elite QB, lol). He played in another with his broken jaw wired shut and no painkillers because his team needed him. He had 7 seasons of 1,000+ yards and is 14th all time in receiving yards.

I won't allow Boldin slander happen in front of me. Certainly not with the other WRs you grouped him with there.

(08-05-2022, 12:52 PM)Whatever Wrote: Looking at the other NFL teams, there aren't a lot of teams that Tee could just walk onto their roster and be the #1 WR.  There are a number of places were he could realistically compete for the #1 spot.  If I was judging them assuming everyone is at full health...

Clear Cut #2

Bengals -Chase
Dolphins-Tyreek Hill
Raiders-Adams
Chargers-Keenan Allen/Mike Williams 
Bills-Diggs
Bucs-Mike Evans
Vikings-Jefferson
Cardinals -DHop
Rams-Kupp
49'ers-Deebo
Eagles-AJ Brown
Cowboys-Lamb
WFT-McLaurin
Carolina-DJ Moore
Seahawks -Metcalf/Lockett
Saints-Michael Thomas

Compete-Incumbant Favored
Browns-Amari Cooper
Texans-Brandin Cooks

Compete-No Favorite
Bears-Darnell Mooney
Colts-Michael Pittman
Steelers-Diontae Johnson
Falcons-Calvin Ridley 

Compete-Higgins Favored
Broncos-Sutton/Jameson Williams/Jeudy
Giants-Golladay
Lions-Amon-Ra St. Brown


Clear Cut #1
Jags-Kirk/Shenault
Patriots-Bourne
Ravens-Bateman
Chiefs-JuJu
Titans-Robert Woods
Jets-Corey Davis
Packers,-Lazard

(08-05-2022, 11:52 AM)bengaloo Wrote: Yeah I'm hoping that growing up a Bengal fan, playing with Burrow and being on a SB contender helps to keep him here. I dont like the fact that he has the same agent as Bates, but its a different situation and different position altogether. Sadly for Bates his sub 60 pff score last year didnt help him become a top paid FS, but even if he played at a pro bowl level last year, with all these other young players looking at big deals coming up, I'm not sure Bates was a huge priority for the team. I know they want him around, but at what cost is the real question. His agent can kick rocks though, regardless.

(08-05-2022, 01:05 PM)Whatever Wrote: Fair point about Boldin's rookie year, but he never had a 1000 yard season with the Ravens.  And phantom DPI calls made Flacco, lol!

(08-05-2022, 01:12 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Out of those WRs you list, here are ones who will be 30+ years old by the time Higgins could depart in FA:
DeAndre Hopkins
Davante Adams
Keenan Allen (Mike Williams is not a full-fledged WR1 IMO)
Cooper Kupp
Michael Thomas
Tyreek Hill
Brandin Cooks
Robert Woods
Kenny Golladay
Mike Evans
Stefon Diggs

So there definitely could be more opportunities by 2024 than we see now.

(08-05-2022, 12:35 AM)Whatever Wrote: The sad thing is that a lot of these 1b type WR's fail when either they bolt to another team and become the WR1 or their team lets the WR1 walk thinking the 1b is a true WR1. Anquan Boldin had 5 1000 yard seasons with Fitzgerald in AZ, but only two the rest of his career.  Or look at JuJu and Mike Williams with the Steelers.  Looking at Bengals history, there was Darnay Scott when Pickens left.  Also look at TJ who was cut only one year into the 5 year deal he signed with the Seahawks.  

If someone gives up a 1st next year for Higgins, I would probably take it.  Otherwise, I would plan on letting him play out his rookie deal and walking.

(08-05-2022, 03:26 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I think that was just more a product of Baltimore than Boldin. They were 34-14 in those 3 years and he led them in receiving each year. They were just run-first and defense focused. Won a playoff game the first two years and the SB in the third year.

They had a 1k receiver (barely) in 2009 and 2013, but they were 17-15 in those years, and the guy who had both of those 1k seasons was with the Ravens 2010-2012 too and had a big decrease. It was just how that team operated then. That opinion solidified by the fact that as soon as he left he went right back to 1k+ seasons at age 33 and 34.

In the SB year Boldin had 22/380(17.3)/4 in that playoffs. Flacco was just chucking balls into the air and Boldin just wanted it more than anyone else. He absolutely got Flacco paid that next offseason.

(08-06-2022, 11:31 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Boldin is a bad example. When boldin got 120+ tArgets in his career, he put up 1,000+ yards. He never saw more than 112 in Baltimore and that year he saw 921 yards.  If he got 8 more targets he likely gets the 1,000 yard mark.  Not his fault Baltimore has always underutilized their WRs.