(12-04-2022, 11:22 PM)Nepa Wrote: But life, and football, doesn't work that way. You don't know what would have happened had the Bengals taken the 3 points at the end of the first half. To say they would have won by 9 assumes things are predestined to go the same way the rest of the game. But maybe the Chiefs with time on the clock at the end of the first half, and timeouts, march down the field and kick a field goal or even get a touchdown before the half. Maybe their play calls change in the second half. We don't know.

I think the best way to describe this is in terms of baseball. It has annoyed me for decades when announcers don't recognize this reality. Say a baserunner gets thrown out trying to steal a base and then the next batter hits a homerun. Inevitably, announcers and fans and players themselves say if the runner hadn't tried to steal, then it would have been two runs when the homerun was hit. But everything has changed. Now the pitcher is throwing from a windup instead of the stretch. The pitch selection is different. Maybe the guy that hit the home run would have popped out.

Basically, things are not predestined to happen the same the rest of the game.

Always best to just enjoy the victories rather than look back. 

(12-04-2022, 10:46 PM)Nepa Wrote: I wanted to go for it for the same reason. But 3rd and 11, up 3, I think most coaches would run the ball, and run the clock down versus risking an incompletion and stopping the clock. Then they count on the defense keeping the opposing team out of the end zone. But with Mahomes, he has a history of driving down the field with little time left. I think Zac showed a lot of guts versus the conservative approach of running the ball and the clock.

If Burrow's pass was incomplete, and the clock stopped, a lot of fans would be complaining bitterly about passing the ball on 3rd and 11. I wanted to go for the 1st down because i'd seen too many QBs break my heart at the end of games. I'd rather break their hearts with my QB.

(12-04-2022, 11:43 PM)QueenCity Wrote: Yes for any QB not names Mahomes... throw out the rule book when it comes to him. 

(12-04-2022, 11:22 PM)Nepa Wrote: But life, and football, doesn't work that way. You don't know what would have happened had the Bengals taken the 3 points at the end of the first half. To say they would have won by 9 assumes things are predestined to go the same way the rest of the game. But maybe the Chiefs with time on the clock at the end of the first half, and timeouts, march down the field and kick a field goal or even get a touchdown before the half. Maybe their play calls change in the second half. We don't know.

I think the best way to describe this is in terms of baseball. It has annoyed me for decades when announcers don't recognize this reality. Say a baserunner gets thrown out trying to steal a base and then the next batter hits a homerun. Inevitably, announcers and fans and players themselves say if the runner hadn't tried to steal, then it would have been two runs when the homerun was hit. But everything has changed. Now the pitcher is throwing from a windup instead of the stretch. The pitch selection is different. Maybe the guy that hit the home run would have popped out.

Basically, things are not predestined to happen the same the rest of the game.

Always best to just enjoy the victories rather than look back. 

(12-05-2022, 12:24 AM)BigPapaKain Wrote: 13 seconds.

On 3rd & 11 with 1:59 left in regulation, Joe Burrow found Tee Higgins in a tight window for 14 yards and a first down, sealing a @Bengals win.

? Time to Throw: 2.70 seconds
? Burrow Under Pressure
? Target Separation: 0.5 yards#KCvsCIN | #RuleTheJungle pic.twitter.com/PWMHBWokmr

— Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) December 5, 2022

(12-05-2022, 12:33 AM)QueenCity Wrote: Only needed a FG in that situation... but I'm still not giving this guy a second on the clock if I don't need to.

Super happy our "Crappy HC" went for the juggler on 3rd and 11 to seal the deal. 

(12-04-2022, 11:22 PM)Nepa Wrote: But life, and football, doesn't work that way. You don't know what would have happened had the Bengals taken the 3 points at the end of the first half. To say they would have won by 9 assumes things are predestined to go the same way the rest of the game. But maybe the Chiefs with time on the clock at the end of the first half, and timeouts, march down the field and kick a field goal or even get a touchdown before the half. Maybe their play calls change in the second half. We don't know.

I think the best way to describe this is in terms of baseball. It has annoyed me for decades when announcers don't recognize this reality. Say a baserunner gets thrown out trying to steal a base and then the next batter hits a homerun. Inevitably, announcers and fans and players themselves say if the runner hadn't tried to steal, then it would have been two runs when the homerun was hit. But everything has changed. Now the pitcher is throwing from a windup instead of the stretch. The pitch selection is different. Maybe the guy that hit the home run would have popped out.

Basically, things are not predestined to happen the same the rest of the game.

Always best to just enjoy the victories rather than look back. 

(12-04-2022, 10:32 PM)GodFather Wrote: Unbelievable! Burrow under pressure throwing a perfect pass and catch by Tee. Incredible.  Was thinking if Lewis was HC, he would've ran the ball four times and given Paddy the ball back with time.

Loved how that game ended and Burrow playing his usual clutch self when given the opportunity. I don't care what anyone says, we have the best QB in the league...

(12-05-2022, 10:22 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I have to admit, I would have probably done the same thing.  He has balls that need their own zip code.  And Higgins, with only two receptions (that should have been PI and offsetting calls anyways in the end zone) was clutch making the grab past the chains and getting down.  

If you think about it....why NOT do what they did.  The awkward play on 2nd down was clearly an "if it is there, throw it, if not, eat it and keep the clock moving".  Didn't like him taking an extra shot in the back, but my God...that third down play was incredible.  

(12-05-2022, 10:25 AM)Wyche Wrote: They said in the presser, that's exactly what happened on the 2nd down play. Although, I think Joe could've flipped it to Perine there and gotten a couple yards. 

(12-05-2022, 10:30 AM)Go Cards Wrote: The last play, the victory formation, my favorite.

But really how clutch it was it by Joe and Tee

(12-05-2022, 12:24 AM)BigPapaKain Wrote: 13 seconds.

(12-05-2022, 10:22 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I have to admit, I would have probably done the same thing.  He has balls that need their own zip code.  And Higgins, with only two receptions (that should have been PI and offsetting calls anyways in the end zone) was clutch making the grab past the chains and getting down.  

If you think about it....why NOT do what they did.  The awkward play on 2nd down was clearly an "if it is there, throw it, if not, eat it and keep the clock moving".  Didn't like him taking an extra shot in the back, but my God...that third down play was incredible.  

(12-05-2022, 10:48 AM)michaelsean Wrote: No reason to eat it and keep the clock moving.  It was the two minute warning.  Throw it away.

(12-04-2022, 11:07 PM)Mer Wrote: I actually thought the play was stopped because the defender was so close and Joe looked so comfortable I thought he'd stopped until the ball came out.

(12-04-2022, 11:47 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I wanted to run on 2nd and 4. Once it's 3rd and 11 100 percent agree you have to throw it there for the 1st down.

(12-05-2022, 05:11 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The reality is Joe made a huge mistake. The clock was stopping for the 2 minute warning, throw the ball away (he could have and save 5 yards, Then 3rd and 6 versus 3rd and 11.

But who is to say we get a first down and keep the clock running on 3rd and 6. As has been noted, each play in a game changes everything.

I give Zac praise for not just going for it, but not dumping it off to get a closer FG attempt but the clock running.

This is not the first time Zac and Joe have run out the clock.