(02-06-2023, 10:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Not sure how many in here realize what "key" means. It doesn't mean getting rid of the ones you want. It means being like KC and parting ways with Tyreke Hill

Trading Trey Hendrickson saves us over $10 Mil next year

It's why we drafted Ossai.

(02-06-2023, 10:31 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Eh, you draft Ossai because you can never have too many pass rushers (much like CB’s). 3 good ones seems like the bare minimum of what a team should have.

Philly having 4 double digit sack guys was the main reason they were the team I was most worried about facing in the playoffs.

(02-06-2023, 10:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You can easily have too many of any position. It comes down to how much are you willing to pay for good ones.

Folks suggesting we part ways with players we "don't like" does very little. 

Trading Trey gets us a draft pick and frees up $22 Mil in Cap over the next 2 years. That'll come in handy when we sign JB long term.

Tradin Tee gets us a couple of picks

Reader gets us a pick or 2 and $11 MIL in cap 

We gotta get used to being a good team. Cuts of folks we like must happen 

(02-06-2023, 10:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You can easily have too many of any position. It comes down to how much are you willing to pay for good ones.

Folks suggesting we part ways with players we "don't like" does very little. 

Trading Trey gets us a draft pick and frees up $22 Mil in Cap over the next 2 years. That'll come in handy when we sign JB long term.

Tradin Tee gets us a couple of picks

Reader gets us a pick or 2 and $11 MIL in cap 

We gotta get used to being a good team. Cuts of folks we like must happen 

(02-06-2023, 03:50 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Sometimes it feels like the NFL intentionally wrote the cap rules to be confusing and nonsensical 

(02-06-2023, 02:22 PM)casear2727 Wrote: WKRC is either looking for views or not very bright.

Bengals are paying Burrow without question.  Even as the highest paid player the structure of the deal can be very team friendly.

As long as LC is on IR he cant be cut, Trey is a bargain, and Reader is the best run stuffer in the NFL.

The truth is the Bengals do not have to cut anyone to pay Joe.  To pay Tee, Wilson and others decisions will have to be made.

(02-07-2023, 01:23 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The more I think about it, it's going to be hard to have an elite roster when Burrow, Chase, and Tee get paid.

I just don't think we can invest 50-60 million in Tee and Chase. Sucks too.

(02-06-2023, 02:12 PM)kevin Wrote: Per WKRC Sports Story :

The main thing Bengals have to do this off season is resign Joe Burrow so he is not a Free Agent at end of next season.  The sooner, the better, because all other Bengals player moves revolve around this.

So the 5 players that WKRC says look to be salary cap hits are JOE MIXON, TYLER BOYD,  LA'EL COLLINS, DJ READER, TREY HENDRICKSON.   WKRC isn't saying gone after next season, they are saying gone before this June.  

WKRC also says there is a remote chance Mike Brown doesn't pay and keep Joe Burrow, to keep other players.  However keeping Joe Burrow is what the team wants and a big reason they sold the name right to stadium for extra revenue, and no longer Paul Brown Stadium. Plus Joe Burrow is the main reason for record breaking advanced season tickets being sold by Bengals.

Joe Burrow will go from his out of college contract to being one of the highest paid players in the NFL, right up there with Mahomes and Watson. So as WKRC says it, players have to go to make room for this huge contract.

(02-06-2023, 02:26 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I could definitely see us cutting Collins and Mixon, as they are not living up to their contracts and could be replaced and upgrade the team.

If they cut Boyd, Hendrickson or Reader, they'd be idiots. All 3 are outperforming their contracts by a wide margin and we're lucky to have them.

Also, the idea that we wouldn't pay Burrow to keep other players is nonsense. Brown isn't that stupid.

(02-07-2023, 03:03 PM)ochocincos Wrote: You could argue Boyd isn't quite.

He's 30th highest WR in terms of AAV.
He's the 25th highest WR based full contract.

Boyd was 43rd in receiving yards this past year.
39th the year before.

The reality is Boyd was given his contract at the time to be a good WR2.
He'd likely be a good WR2 on most teams, but in an offense with Chase and Higgins, his production is more limited.

Boyd the past two seasons:
2021 - 828 yards
2022 - 762 yards

Boyd is set to count $10.285 mill this year, only $1.4 mill dead cap if team moves on.
Cap savings of nearly $8.9 mill.

Can a (much) cheaper veteran or a draft pick put up production like that in the Bengals offense and allow the Bengals to repurpose that saved money elsewhere?
I would argue they could. It's also possible the replacement player does not though. That's the gamble you take when you decide to replace a player.

(02-07-2023, 03:48 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I think the most limited resource on this offense is targets and we saw that with Boyd. With Chase already absorbing more than a third of the WR targets there will inevitably be less than a player's "fair portion" of targets to go around. 

Boyd only had 82 targets (a consequence of being the 3rd or 4th option on many plays) but he led all Bengals Wide Receivers with a catch percentage of 70.7%, he was second among Bengals Wide Receivers in first downs per reception of 0.707 and first downs per target at 0.5 behind only Irwin and his 15 receptions (small sample size). And he wasn't that far behind Higgins in yards per reception with 13.1 to Higgins 13.9 (both higher than Chase's 12.0). 

It would be unfair, I feel, to penalize Boyd because he happens to have two of the best receivers in the NFL ahead of him. He still performs his job magnificently and I don't think you'd be able to improve the slot receiver role with ~$10M AAV in free agency. 

With that said, I do concede that on strictly a yards and touchdowns basis, Boyd may be the least "overperforming" of the contracts mentioned in the original post.